Arguello. Chavez. Mayweather. Who was the greatest superfeatherweight ever?

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  1. DINAMITA

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    Vote and discuss.
     
  2. Biggame

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    Mayweather IMO would beat both guys at that weight! At 130lbs he was more than a beast, he was super sharp, super accurate, and almost impossible to hit. You couldn't really defend against him, and he had good power there. I just can't see anyone beating him there including both guys mentioned!
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    Head to head: Mayweather
    Resume: Arguello
     
  4. DINAMITA

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    Good post, and I agree with your order, but there's one point of dissent. You say that Mayweather "wasn't a natural jlw in his prime years" because of his age. I disagree because I think a fighters' prime is wherever and whenever he performs at his best. I think you are implying he can't have been prime because he wasn't in his late 20s, as that is generally considered a boxer's prime. However, think of Hopkins and Marquez (peaked in their mid-30s), think of Hamed and Benitez (peaked in their early 20s) - not all boxers conform to a general 'prime' dependent on being in their late 20s. I think Floyd Mayweather was one of these fighters. The best he ever fought was at 130 and 135. Therefore, irrespective of his age, he was a prime jlw IMO.
     
  5. DINAMITA

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    Do you think there would be a difference in Arguello v Mayweather 130 and Arguello v Mayweather 135, or do you see them unfolding in much the same way?
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Arguello struggled more against fighters of Floyd's general style than vice-versa. Head to head the 130 pound Mayweather should have this matchup in the bag.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    Unfortunately, he never fought at the weight, so your inclusion of him in this thread is about as worthless as the inclusion of you in life.
     
  8. cfizzl3

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    i concur
     
  9. konaman

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    :rofl

    Comedy gold.
     
  10. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Arguello is the living pesonification of the term "boxing legacy."

    Head to head Floyd scores a close but clear UD over 12. Over 15 rounds Arguello turns the tables and scores a TKO or KO. Floyd would have been a fine 15 round fighter, but against Arguello, the master of the champioship rounds, he would be out of his depth. Only one man ever beat Alexis in a 15 round fight, and that was Aron Pryor after AA was considerably past his best.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Arguello the greatest SFW, no doubt. I have no doubt that the prime version of Arguello beats Chavez (in probably one of the greatest fights of all time) and out thinks Mayweather, putting some beautiful combos together to win by two or three rounds.


    Only my opinion though, and I can see arguments for any of the three, but I am a big Arguello fan so I'm biased.

    And if Sanchez would've fought Arguello at LW, which was being discussed before he died, I have no doubt that one of Arguello's bombs would have tested Sal's chin, severely. And I rate Sanchez as the greatest FW of all time, despite his short career.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Mayweather was far more aggressive in his SFW days if I remember correctly, that would've played into Arguello's hands. He may have went down but there's no doubt that he'd be far more IMPRESSIVE offensively; as great a combination puncher as Mayweather is (when he wants to be) Arguello is probably the most fluid I have ever watched in terms of his punches; sorta like Chess in a way, he knows exactly which combination will work best next, he wits, he unloads; a lot of the time his opponent is ****ed. Is it 69 K.O's in 85 wins or summat like that?

    He staggered Pryor a couple of times in their first fight, no mean feat, at his 4th weight division!
     
  13. booradley

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    One of the best Arguello stories I've heard came from Ray Mancinni. Ray said that even when he was doing well, and winning rounds, he felt like he was being studied and set up for something later. Obviously Ray is not in the same class with PBF, but Arguello was boxings version of a master chess player.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    True. Sanchez was a great boxer too, even if he was thrown off his gameplan (like against Nelson) he'd find a way to win. However, due to Arguello's calm under pressure (unlike Sanchez's stern expression which never changed, even when you could tell he was hurt) I think he would've beaten Sal in that mooted match.

    And for those reasons, I think he also beats Mayweather and Chavez. Chavez would come close, but as tough as he is, I imagine what would happen to him if Arguello caught him on the button with a few swift blows deep into the championship rounds. I suspect JCC would be hurt. I also think Arguello could've nullified Chavez's body blows.

    But as I say, although I only take into account things I've seen rather than 'Yo, Pacman would CRUSH David Haye' I am a bit biased to Arguello. Probably my all-time favourite tbh.
     
  15. booradley

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    Aguello is my #1 all time favorite. Some of the other spots change from time to time depending on what I've been watching or reading. The #1 spot NEVER changes.

    As far as Argullo fighting Sal, it's an interesting match-up at 126 when AA was still a bit green. Prime Arguello beats Sal up and maybe stops him late. Sal took Danny Lopez's shots, and never seemed to be in any real trouble, but Alexis is a whole different animal. Danny always just kept throwing shots no matter what else was going on. Alexis was often very conservative, he'd find a way to create an opening, and BANG. It's the difference between a hall of fame level brawler, and an all time great ring general.