Arguello v Pacman at 130

Better than Jimmy Wilde, Ricardo Lopez, Eder Jofre, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Fighting Harada, Panama Al Brown, Vicente Saldivar, Wilfredo Gomez, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, Alexis Arguello, etc?

I think not.

 

Don't forget to add superman, Jesus, The Enterprise (Star Trek) to that list. Such a shame that these so called 'fans' do not see past the tip of Pacquaios *****.

 

Arguello would win no doubt about it in my mind. Arguello primarily had trouble with movers not fighters who came at him. For instance Vilomar Fernandez upset him by moving and boxing. Arguello would counter punch the **** out of Pac and Manny would be running into stuff coming in all the time. Pacman can't fight on the backfoot he has to come forward and not only does Arguello have the superior skills he is also the larger man. Think about this if Marquez can give Pac so much trouble counterpunching you better believe the bigger, better, harder hitter in Arguello would be able to handle Pac.

Arguello KO

 

I don't believe there's a KO here, and if there is one I believe it's just as likely or more likely that Pac is doing the KOing. In fact, I think that's probably his best, if not only, path to victory.

I see this going the distance (12 or 15 ?) and Arguello winning by a comfortable margin. I hope i'm not just being nostalgic.

 

Morales only had 2 razor thin disputable losses (against MAB) before going into the 1st Pac fight. As to losses after the 1st Pac fight, one could very well argue that the wars with Pac finally pushed him on the slide..

On what basis are you so sure that he would have beaten Rahim? As to Diaz, many argued Morales did win that fight but that is beside the point because I am not arguing that Morales was indeed past his prime when he fought Diaz, the 3 brutal fights with Pac had its toll on him.

You are right that I watched many Morales fights and I can say that there is no indication that he was past prime when he fought Pac the 1st time. Just because he looked more impressive against another fighter before (especially lesser fighters) doesn't make him past prime.

 

So when are you going to provide us with an analysis of Arguello Vs Pac match up?

 

Except that there were no wars, there was only one fight. Since Rahim beat him before Pac did, maybe we should attribute the later Pac losses to this. :roll:

Then you didn't watch carefuly enough, or just didn't see it. This reminds me in some ways of the RJJ vs Ruiz fight. He was pretty clearly not in top form, but had enough to beat Ruiz. That doesn't mean he was at his best though.

 

good call, the move to heavyweight ****ed up RJJ but he had enough in his tank to win, the move back to LHW ****ed him up even more but still had enough to pull off a close win against tarver

 

I don't understand why Pac fans can't acknowledge that another boxer could beat him when its so obvious when talking about Arguello. It just makes some of you look bad when you can't even provide a simple analysis of how it would happen but swear by it.

And don't give me the Pac gets no credit line. Barrera is my second favorite fighter of all time and I willingly concede that Pac is a stylistic problem at any point of his career. I also pick Pac over boxers like Guzman and Gamboa without hesitation even though its not the popular thing to do. Its just a matter of honesty and giving boxers their due credit. Whats so hard about this?

 

not all pac fans only the ignorant ones:yep

i kept seeing that kind of line here, its just an ignorant way of thinking by some ignorant pac fans. I'm a pac fan also and I believe he had all the credit from everyone in the boxing world not only by his fans but others as well.

Can you please tell me how does pac win over guzman? I think guzman is also a stylistic problem to pac. I also think guzman is tough and has a solid chin so a KO is not that probable

 

Arguello posses all the traits that give pac hell height, reach power, boxing skills and an great chin. on "paper" its Arguello easy but pacs a great fighter so you can never really count him out.

 

On that basis then Pac is also past his prime when he fought Morales. Watch carefully and compare Pac against MAB back in 2003 with his fight against Morales the 1st time.

 

We had a thread about this a while back and I argued extensively with Amsterdam and Huki about this fight. Guzman presents problems for Pac, no doubt. To be honest, I am not completely sold on him as a fighter and more than anything its a gut feeling.

In regards to Pac, for one, I believe in proven entities. Pac is just that on the largest stage. And I haven't seen that in Guzman yet. But stylisticaly, I think Pac's preasure, punching power, and chin are going to wear the **** out of Guzman over twelve rounds at 130lbs and especially at at 135lbs. Guzman will start quickly but Pac will begin to find the mark in the mid rounds and although Guzman will score and at times disorient Pac with his speed and use of angles he won't be able to back Pac up with his punching power at these weights. Backing Pac up is the name of the game. Not to mention Pac's own speed and power is going to have its effect on Guzman's ability, and by the late rounds, desire to be as fluid with letting his hands go as he has been against lesser comp..