Arguello V Pryor - Tell me about this fight

Pryor marched through Arguello's right hands like they were nothing ,I don't know what was in that bottle but I bet it wasn't just water !

 

............The problem I have with this is that if you listen to Lewis in the corner between the 13th and 14th rounds, he's telling the guy "gimme the black bottle; the one that I mixed!" As if that bottle was an exception to the ones they had been dealing with up to that point.

It's all guesswork of course, but one has to wonder. Let's not forget the great work Pryor had done leading up to that damning moment. If indeed it was only between the 13th and 14th round that the drugs were administered, why take away from what Pryor had done up till then? He was winning the bout going away (regardless of what the judges said; Pryor was kicking his ass).

 

I wish somebody else could back me up on this......but I've seen segments (and there is video evidence) that catches Panama Lewis asking for the black bottle earlier in the fight.

I've mentioned this to you before Sal, but I know that you're not convinced about it.....but yes, Pryor was being given from that bottle at various points during the fight.....at least 2 dosings are for certain.


Then to compound the issue, just weeks after Panama Lewis works Pryor's corner vs Arguello, Panama (who was later convicted, sent to jail, and banned for life from boxing for it) is found to have taken out the paddings from one of his fighters gloves, who went on to rearrange the face and ruin the life of Billy Collins.:-(
......this is only weeks after the black bottle incident.....its what makes it so hard to believe that Panama and Pryor surely used something in that bottle mix that greatly benefited them.

.....and if Panama took the padding off of Luis Resto's gloves, who's to say he did'nt take some of the padding off of Pryor's gloves also?

Just an unfortunate situation, but I cant look at that Arguello-Pryor fight and feel that Pryor was just the better fighter.
Arguello did'nt get a fair crack at history imo, and for such a fine proffesional as he was, its truly a shame!:-(

 

...........Nah; Pryor was fine.

 

..........Let's put it this way; I wouldn't for one second put it past Lewis to have been feeding him stuff all along, it's just that I've never seen evidence of it other than that one moment between the 13th and 14th.

 

Divac. Get a photo of yourself on here. You'll see the tread for it elsewhere on the Classic.

 

Divac. I was an Arguello fanatic. Twenty six years is a long time but my memory of the fight is the same as yours. I don't think the black bottle situation was restricted to between the 13th and 14th rounds. I seem to recall somebody, HBO, NBC (I'm not really sure who) doing a segment on it and the black bottle was used/referenced more than one time. It just makes sense too. It's not like Pryor was crusing through the fight. This was one of the most brutal fights ever from a standpoint of pace and clean blows landed. Why would Lewis save it for then when there were several times before that point that it looked like Pryor's head was going to fly off.

Question. Was there a post fight drug test? I'm sure we've come light years in drug testing since then, but I know they had them. I seem to recall some kind of screw in that area too.

It looks bad, especially with Panama Lewis involved. But like I said before, I try to give Pryor the benefit of the doubt. He was a great fighter.

 

You have to see Pryor-Arguello I, it's unbelievable.

Some say the bottle had Schnapps, others said it was laced with cocaine... the world will never really know. But it was a FANTASTIC fight nonetheless. Literally non-stop action for 14 rounds.

 

The at the time new Miami Commission forgot to take urine samples from the fighters, so no, they didn't make them take drug tests after this fight.

 

Want to know what a class act Arguello was, watch his fight with "Boom Boom" Mancini. After he thoroughly beats his ass, he tells him "don't worry one day you will be champion. If there is anything I can do to help you let me know." Total class act, boxing sure could use a few guys like that now. Aaron Pryor was one hell of a fighter, tough s.o.b. regardless what was in the bottle. Booze, women and Cocaine were his undoing. They're matchup was one for the ages. ATG fight

 

Pryor was one of the greatest fighters of all times, he qualified for the olympic trials by beating thomas hearns in '76, but lost a controversial decision in the olympic trials final round to howard davis, Aaron thought he would've been alot more successfull with his career if he had won the gold medal at the olympics.

It is known that ray leonard use to train with pryor and according to some of pryor's handlers and promoter butch lewis aaron gave leonard alot of trouble and actually knocked him down a couple of times.

After pryor cleaned up the lightweight division (135) he went up 5 pounds to the Jr Welterweight division (140) , and in his 2nd fight as a 140 he faced antonio cervantes for the title, knocking him out.

After that fight he would only face mandatory challangers, before the arguello fight he was interested in fighting ray leonard but the fight never happened.

The controversy with the 'black bottle' was that arguello's handlers thought the water was mixed with a stimulant which gave pryor energy when he was tired.

Pryor cleared all doubts about the black bottle by beating arguello in the 2nd fight in 1983.

But 140 was not arguello's best weight, it was actually featherweight.

After both fights, pryor kept winning and retired in 1985, he got into trouble with the law and was addicted to cocaine for 2 years, he came back in 1987 against bobby joe young, pryor having being away for 2 years and using cocaine was knocked out by young.

the following years pryor fought 3 more times winning all of them by KO against lower oppositions.

in 1990 pryor fought 1 time and was discovered that he had been fighting with eye problems, and was forced to retire from the sport.

Arguello also battled cocaine addictions, but came back during the late 80's and won some fights until retiring for good in 1995.

 

"Pryor cleared all doubts about the black bottle by beating arguello in the 2nd fight in 1983."

Arguello was at the end of his career and suffered a brutal knockout in the first fight. I don't think the 2nd fight cleared any doubt about the first fight at all.

"After pryor cleaned up the lightweight division (135) he went up 5 pounds to the Jr Welterweight division (140) , and in his 2nd fight as a 140 he faced antonio cervantes for the title, knocking him out."

He never really beat anybody of note at 135.

 

Yes, that's why he jumped into the 140lbs division.

 

...............So how is that "cleaning out the division" if he never really fought anybody there?