who wins in a 15 rounder between Arguello and Floyd jr? Arguello was a beast at 130, and floyd was the complete package at that weight as well. now alexis is one of my top 10 all time favs, but i do acknowledge that floyd has a stylistic advantage on him with his better defense, faster hands/feet and overall quickness (he had pretty good power at 130 too). i think over a 12 rounder floyd takes a close UD. but i'd go with a arguello late KO in 15 rounds, as i think alexis would have gotten enough work done over 15 rds to break floyd down. what do you guys think?
15 rounds? Well, Alexis was known as a slow starter got stronger as the fight went on. In a 12 rounder, I would pick Floyd 8-4 or so, but 15 rounds?... While Arguello was great in the championship rounds, Floyd has always had great stamina and ability to adjust and stick to a gameplan effectively. Arguello would get some good work done, but so would Mayweather... Mayweather UD15
**** this is i made double threadatsch. i agree that floyd has a total style advantage over arguello, and would pick him in a 12 rounder, but i just think that arguello would be too good to have not gotten enough work done on him over 15. if castillo gave floyd problems i think alexis does too. (i know they're completely different fighter, but keep in mind i do have a bias for arguello)
Floyd would get in and out and win a decision. Arguello had the posture of ODH but without the left hook. But a serious right hand. Those dont land on Floyd at least not from an orthodox fighter.
Arguello was able to get to Escalera (sp) twice, and he ws not only a good boxer, but had good punch. Arguello never had trouble with top fighters from 126-140, till he lost to Pryor. Mayweater needs about 2 more years, or a couple of more big fights, before they can be compared.
Mayweather is already a great fighter - they can be compared and it is not out of the question to say Floyd's speed, quickness, and ring generalship would win him the fight.
That may be, but not in Mayweather's case. I am not a fan of the guy, but his accomplishments can't be denied. 6 titles in 5 weight classes is an impressive feat in itself. Then you factor in the fact that he is undefeated, had 11 title defenses, had 8 title defenses at super featherweight, and has beaten the likes of De La Hoya, Castillo x 2, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah, Chavez, Gatti, etc. To me, he is great.
Stanley Ketchel, Willy Pep, Duran, Leonard, Arguello---most 147 and under fighters have best years before age 30. Also winning belts is not winning complete title, and the added divisions, like 130, 140, 154, make it possible to build up number of titles or title belts. Those divisions were not around, or taken seriosly, prior to 1980's.
You're right about the multiple titles. But let me remind you that Floyd is one of the few men in history that won Lineal titles in 3 different weight classes. Let me also remind you that the 130 lbs. division exists since 1920, not 1980. Johnny Dundee, Kid Chocolate, Sandy Saddler and Flash Elorde were just some Champions before the 1980s. The 140 lbs. division exists since 1922. It was taken seriously way before 1980. But you are right, the 154 division exists since the 60s and it gained popularity with Leonard, Hearns, McCallum and Jackson in the 80s.
Why do people bring up that PBF had problems w/ Castillo in the first fight, but completely IGNORE the turnaround he showed in the SECOND FIGHT?!?! Unless PBF completely forgot what he learned for Castillo 2, then he wouldn't have a problem w/ Arguello's pressure. And who cares if Arguello is really good in the championship rounds? Are you saying that PBF would tire out after Round 12? I don't think so. When has he ever shown to be in anything less the superb shape for his fights? Never. That means that his defense, counter punching, movement, etc will be just as good in Round 1 as it is in Round 15. That's how good PBF is. The only way that it matters that Arguello is really good in R13-15 is if PBF's ability drops in those rounds, but it won't. So by saying that Arguello beats PBF in the later rounds is saying that Arguello at his very best is better than PBF at his very best and to belive that is just STUPID!!!!.
I gotta disagree on those divisions being taken seriously. I remmeber different. Also, very few major fighters of those times went for those titles, and few who did moved to major division quickly.
It's either Alexis by KO or Floyd by Decision. I think over 15 rounds Alexis might land that straigh right eventually and you can pretty much say it's over if he lands...but Floyd at 135 was super fast, and had outstanding reflexes.... Floyd is NOT Pryor! Pryor was a BEAST! But Floyd is a cool, clam and collected individual when in the ring. He can stick to a game plan like no other fighter I've seen...at the expense of the viewers entertainment....but he win! I'd go with Alexis by late round KO....but logically speaking that is not the right decision.....Alexis is just a WARRIOR and I can't ever count out an ATG like Alexis.
