If you can find me just ONE thread, article, link or audio of anyone mentioning PEDs, EPO's, Roids or HGH along with Manny's name I'll stand corrected. But you won't find anything relating to PAC and doping until AFTER Floyd spread the rumors.
The suspicions have been there for a while with Pacquiao, ever since he destroyed Erik Morales in those rematches....... You want me to find articles, I'm not going to do that because they are not out there in abundance. The suspicions were more than for just Pacquiao at the time......there are alot of fighters changing the way their body looks that also came of suspicioun. Fighters like Roy Jones who went from middleweight and fought at Heavyweight........Bernard Hopkins who went from a skinny middleweight to form his body into a true lightheavyweight with all lean muscle. There are alot more out there, but you're not going to find a journalist come out with an article and accusing them unless its form something the fighter does or comes out of his mouth....... It was'nt becuase Mayweather requested PED testing that the media started to write about it.......its because Pacquiao refused the testing that it became headlines. The media had no reason to write about their suspiciouns of just Pacquiao because there were many other fighters that were also suspect. When a fighter refuses a request from another to legitly get randomly tested before a fight, you can make certain the media is going to write about it. Just google Pacquiao and PED use and the internet is littered with stories about it. Google Erik Morales and PED use, and the internet is littered with stories about Pacquiao and his possible PED use.
really? So it's not because Erik was shot and weight drained? phew. Glad PEDs is a MUCH MUCH more likely explanation than Morales being shot and weight drained. You're way off. Manny starched Hatton and THAT is when Sr started shooting off his mouth about Manny being on something. After Cotto was when the A-Side meth bull**** started. And when he refused the drug testing, that's when **** got ridiculous.
You the boxing casual fan have only recently been hearing it...... The real boxing fan as been hearing suspiciouns on who's using and who's not for years......and Manny Pacquiao's name I've heard since the Morales fight to present and its increased with every weight division jump. I heard it even from casual boxing observers when Pacquiao destroyed DLH.....around the neighborhood where I live from the DLH fight to present, I've heard alot of "that mother****er on something." ......it certainly did'nt start with Mayweather Sr. ....the media circus around the allegations started with Sr., but the talks even within the casual fan started way before then.
I didn't expect you to waste your time in doing so....I wouldn't either knowing that there's nothing to find. After the destruction of EM those who sought to discredit PAC simply went at Erik saying he was shot or weight drained as in ALL of PAC's wins since moving north in weight. Sure MOST don't look for reasons to rationalize PAC's performances backed by unfounded excuses but every top level athletes have haters on their grind. There were more articles questioning Roy than Manny before Sr and Camp Mayweather began pushing those comments about PAC. The only reasons writers began to write about it was simple....it grabbed the attention of the world having the TWO premeir names in headlines with a potentail MEGA fight where one side began slinging very damaging comments that made the media's job EASY for them. It had nothing to do with PAC negotiating the "CUT OFF" for the last blood test and more with the impact Floyd's comments had in creating "suspicision" about the great PAC MAN. Wald refused demands for Blood tests and you don't see him being talked about under a cloud of suspiscion. The only reason there hasn't been ANY traction in Wald case was b/c no one acted so irresponsibly with baseless accusations before requesting the specail demands. All the PED articles came AFTER Floyd Sr and Camp mayweather began spreading those accusations.
by that theory, they should be just as misinformed as me, shouldn't they? There was never any real suspicion until Sr opened his mouth. No one gave a **** about him talking since he was obviously an attention ***** trying to keep his son's name out there. Then Paulie jumped on. Then Cintron dived in. Don't try and bull**** me by calling me a casual fan and then validating your claims by saying other casual fans were saying he must be on something.
You can convince yourself of that if it makes you feel better, but the reality is that if Paquiao embraces the random testing proposed, all these suspiciouns and anything Mayweather Sr. may have said becomes a mute point. ......however, thats not the route that a PED user would take. The PED user would make a stink on why he's being singled out instead of agreeing readily to the tests without much fanfare. I'll even give you a case in point. 99% of the boxing public did'nt know that Mike Tyson requested during his rematch negotiation that Evander Holyfield undergo a Steroid test beyond that what the commision was testing for....... Because Holyfield agreed to such test, just about no one till just recently with Pacquiao's refusal did it hit the mainstream media. Had the Holyfield-Tyson rematch not taken place over Holyfield refusing a Tyson request for a steroid test, it would have made the front page news of every newpaper and newscast in the world. It would have been more of a story than this Pacquiao-Mayweather controversy over testing.
Judah tried making Mosley take random blood tests for a potential fight and Richard Schaefer told him to sit and spin, Shane wasn't a cheater and didn't need to be treated as such. Good thing no one cared about an actual admitted user outright refusing.
THere's not convincing necessary D. It is what it is. And the fact that PAC did accept ALL of Floyd's ridicoulous demand just to have Floyd go on vacation and all the sudden lose his "URGE" to fight only solidifies Floyd was seeking a clever way OUT of the challenge. He jsut didn't want to have to say those words and remove ALL doubt. Unfortunately for him his actions ended up clarifying things. The only reason why the boxing public didn't know about Holy's test that Mike asked for was b/c MIKE didn't take the Floyd Jr route and start slandering Holy's name simply b/c he had suspicisions. He went about it the responsible way and requested it and Holy agreed. No media attention b/c Mike didn't put it out there in the press to eat up and create unecessary contraversy that could have killed the fight. Had Holy NOT taken the tests and Mike didn't go on to fight Holy THEN it probably would have picked up media attention, but it didn't simply b/c of HOW Mike went about requesting the demands.