Ariza: The Other Reason for PacMan's success.

Read the bold in my post below.

Yes he would risk the chance of being caught on EPO if random urine testing were done by WADA, however that would not cover blood doping or HGH. I believe he's on EPO, not HGH or blood doping. Mayweather's camp wanted him to test for everything. I would be satisfied with full random urine with 2 blood tests before the fight and one after.

It's worth noting that all reports recommend blood testing in addition, but urine testing is what scientifically detects EPO.

Yeah I had read up on that before. My point was the bold below.

 

And for the record I do think WADA is on top of it for the most part. I believe they worked with the developers of Mircera to insure they knew how to test for and detect it. Sad thing is boxing doesn't use that type of testing currently. If Pacquiao did that testing with Mayweather and performed in the same manner as he's been it would clear any doubts of mines. :good

 

But if remember correctly, initially Pac's camp agreed to unlimited urine testing all the way up to the fight and they only had problems with blood testing right?

 

:roflMy point exactly so you Pac fans can stop acting like Manny has gone thru a the type of drug testing where he can get caught. As I've already stated. No evidence he's dirty(yet) and no evidence he's clean. He takes EPO buddy. It burns his weight while training. Its why he has to consume "7000 calaries a day eating every 2 hours". Its why he "goes 17 rounds of mits without a sip of water". Its why he went from throwing 600 punches a fight to 1200 against Clottey while not tiring. Its why instead of doing congress work after training he plays basketball because he has to much energy. In the article Ariza himself said Manny's walking around weight is 146 which is four pounds away from his catchweight.

 

...Yeah...

 

Blood can detect certain types of slow release EPO's like CERA which have twice the half-life of normal EPO. FYI, slow release as in still in yore blood for up to 3 months.

Btw, the word is not scientific, cuz all the tests are scientific. The word you are looking for is that urine testing can directly "IDENTIFY" recombinant EPO, as in it can show the existence of the synthetic hormone. Whereas normally, blood cannot directly detect rEPO, just the markers from the use of it.

Also with Ricco... half his team was under suspicion but the new urine test for CERA had problems.

Oh what to do? They took all the blood samples, and used the new CERA blood test and caught them all.

All busted for CERA just like Ricco, but with the blood test.

Also, Micera/CERA was released in 2008 and the testing for it was jointly developed with Roche Labs, you know um... the maker of Micera?

Anyways... that's only for slow release EPO's. EPO boosting is very difficult to develop requiring pharmaceutical size facilities, so it's not like some organic chemist is going to splice molecules in his basement lab and beat the system. And pharma labs that develop these drugs don't want people abusing it either, which is why they work in secret with the antidopers.

 

**Also, all this horse**** over testing still?

The testing for transfusions had recently be validated or is about iirc to for WADA and is in effect. This means no more blood transfusions, which has been the defacto blood boosting method because cheating EPO testing is really a mind**** in cycling.

It's either transfusions or subcutaneous controlled injections which, well are ****ing obvious to detect. Needles marks like a heroine addict are obvious no?

Welp all them boys in cycling are ****ed now. The test detects plasticisers which are a chemical found in blood bags. If you show a level higher than normal... obvious transfusion which is banned per WADA.

Btw, I've never been against blood testing. I am against FMDT standards aka Floyd Mayweather Drug testing. Follow real Olympic drug testing protocol, have at it.

***The plasticiser test is urine. :good

 

Amazing, you went from saying there's no evidence either way to stating he's on EPO like it's a fact.

I don't see what's so wrong about 7k calories. I'm sure you've seen the video about the diet for Michael Phelps.

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He's a pretty lean guy and for sure he's undergone the most rigorous of drug testing for the Olympics and he seems to be able to eat a ton of food w/o becoming bulky. I'm not saying it proves Pac's innocence, but I don't think it suggests in any way he's on PEDs.

Remember the Mosley-Mayweather 24/7, where they had problems getting urine samples from Floyd because he barely drank any water while training? And we all know Floyd trains really hard. Again, this doesn't prove Pac is innocent but this doesn't seem suspicious either.

As for the punch stats, did it ever occur to you that the reason Pac threw more was because his opponent was barely fighting back so he didn't have to worry about other aspects like defense, movement or feinting and could just concentrate on activity? Did it occur to you that head movement, lateral movement and defense can also sap some of your energy (obviously not as much as throwing but still significant.) When have you ever seen Pac gas out that would suggest that he had more energy against Clottey compared to his previous fights?

And for the record, I've never said that the tests Pac has undergone are comprehensive. But hey, if you're the type to generalize, that's up to you.

 

So many doctors in this thread, I bet they graduated at the University of Wikipedia.

 

What is the point of arguing this, guys? Really...

Cheaters beat testing all the time. Victor Conte said himself that dope testing is a joke and that the designer PEDs are way ahead of the curve.

How do these athletes get caught? Think about it. 90+% of them passed these so-called unbeatable tests, but eventually got caught because they were LINKED to it. Someone gave them up because someone knew somebody that knew ____ athlete and threw them under the bus. So until someone gives up Ariza, or Manny fails a drug test, which hasn't happened since they've been working together, all you joyboys just need to shut up.

We can't say Tiger Woods is on PEDs because he can drive 350 yards straight in Augusta and has put on a huge amount of muscle since he went pro.

We can't say Chris Johnson is on PEDs because he ran a 4.24 40 and rushed for 2000+ yards as a 2nd year player with no QB or O-Line

We can't say LeBron James is on PEDs because he was physically bigger than most guards in the NBA at the age of 19.

We can't say Usain Bolt is on PEDs because he ran 100 meters in 9.58 seconds and 200 meters in 19.19 seconds.

We can't say Manny Pacquiao is on PEDs because he is beating up welterweights.

These guys have accomplished what seems to be impossible, and we should not assume their guilt just for doing so. Unless they fail their commissioned dope test or are linked to PEDs, enjoy them while they're here, instead of pointing fingers.







Idiots.

 

Training in water is different than training out of water just like being 6'4 compared to 5'6. Arnold Swarseneggar only would intake 5000 calories a day. Go look it up if you don't believe me and he put on massive weight doing so. Ariza in the article said so himself Manny's walking around weight is 146 pal. 7000 calories a day to gain 5 or 6 pounds eating rice and philipino food and chicken and beef and massive protein shakes. The drug is EPO. He cant keep his weight that he gains from eating so much. 600 punches a fight to 1200. Punch stats are flaky but still. Your god is a cheater who will be exposed.:hi:

 

Yes because we all know that being a body builder focusing on bulking up has the same dietary requirements as being a boxer training for 12 rounds in a sport that requires speed, strength and a hell of a lot of stamina right?

But I guess the fact that you think Pac is my "god" as opposed to be just being a fan of the sport already tells a lot about the level you're operating on. There's a word for what you are... ah yes. Troll. I really should remember to not feed them.

 

You can't compare Arnold with Pac, because they train differently. Arnold trains to gain mass with mostly anaerobic training. Pac trains mostly aerobic and burns a lot of calories, because of long hours of work. Ariza's training is mostly for speed and power and not to gain muscle mass.

 

Fair enough. I'd like to see that that to actually. I just don't like the other posters who jump the gun and automatically assume he's on something w/o any proof besides different variations of "he's doing so well that he has to be on something."

 

I love that coincidently Pacquiao fans are fitness and training experts. Go figure. You dont know ****. You can name call me whatever you want but none of you are experts on the matter. I have my opinion and you guys have yours. Its that simple. Here are the facts. Lance Armstrong,Micheal Phelps and Manny Pacquiao are frontiermans who have done what nobody else has ever done in their respective fields. Heres the difference though. Lance and Micheal are tested for doping. Manny isn't. We know Manny doesn't have HIV and hepatitus c. Fact. We don't know if he's doping. If you have "evidence" please feel free to show it.