Ariza: The Other Reason for PacMan's success.

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  1. Janjhalani

    Janjhalani Boxing Terrorist Full Member

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    I guess he believes the crackhead more. And maybe its doesn't apply for Pac the "innocent until proven guilty". But when it comes to Floyd about his recent dosmetic violence *****s said he is innocent because there are no pictures even if the neighbors heard screaming, his own childrens testimony and already a case pending.
     
  2. Ringnut

    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    while I agree that testing is the only way to be really sure, you also have to take into account that the 2nd fight with JMM was at 130 pounds, so Pac had to cut something like 15-18 pounds. That's pretty big and that probably had to affect his performance. You can't deny that was a factor in why Pac didn't look as good against Marquez (besides Marquez being a better fighter)
    It's almost like your twisting the facts by saying that Pac was 148 against JMM and 145 against Cotto. Pac was 145 at the weigh in against Cotto and 130 at the weigh in against JMM. Big difference.
     
  3. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Very informative article that unfortunately not enough people will read

    Andre Ward actually has a similar approach to his training methodology. His trainer is a big fan of pilates for conditioning his fighters
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    No one in their right mind wants MARG out of all people to win.
     
  5. Janjhalani

    Janjhalani Boxing Terrorist Full Member

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    *****s keeps away from it.

    They rather wait for another preaching from the Mayweathers.
     
  6. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice article. Ariza is definitely doing a good job. I'm working on getting a degree in Kinesiology myself and was planning to get it at SDSU. In all the books that I have for my studies, they really try to discourage you from using substances such as EPO, HGH, and steroids. They constantly give you the side effects and problems that could arise from using those supplements. The associations that give you the certifications for being a strength & conditioning coach also push a lot of ethics on you and if you get caught using something illegal, you lose your certification and most likely your career.

    I doubt Ariza has Manny on EPO, HGH, or any steroids, and I hope that Manny is clean. The stakes are very high for some trainers like Ariza and a lot of money is involved though, so you never know what exactly they are using. Manny said he'll take the tests and I hope he goes through with that.
     
  7. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    iskul bukol :yep
     
  8. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    "don't ****ed up his speed" - roach

    LOL
     
  9. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Kinesiology is very popular degree for athletic trainers and personal trainers.

    I have found though that the best knowledge is through learning from Iron Masters and coaches who have amassed training logs of thousands of athletes. Men like Marty gallagher, mark rippetoe, Robert Dos Remedios, Alwyn Cosgrove, Bill starr, Dorian Yates etc etc

    also, biomechanics play a huge role

    Nutrition I would suggest you look into the argument AGAINST the lipid hypothesis and the research of the Weston price foundation.
     
  10. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I understand you feel threatened because something negative is being said about someone you identify yourself with but heres some facts. No one in the sport has done what Manny has done. Best examples are Floyd and RJJ. Both guys power has gone down while moving up and nobody else for that matter. Fact. If you do what I say and watch Manny/JMM 2 Manny weighed in at 148 that night. He didn't have Bruce Lee cobra ribs like he did at the Cotto weigh in where he came in at 145.Fact. Ariza joined Manny after JMM/Manny 2. Fact. The onlt thing pending is evidence.Fact. When given the opportunity Bob ended the negociations and made Manny fight Clottey. Fact. Manny doesn't takes steroids but he does take PED's. If he takes random testing that are specified to detecting those things its a done deal. Yes he added some more blossoming to his game but he is still the root fighter that he was back then before Ariza. The Clottey fight is great proof of it. No exchange no effectiveness which is Manny to a T. His 1200 punches thrown were all power punches. When Paul,Calzaghe and Margarito throw 1000 punches a fight they're not all power punches. Thats where the EPO comes in. The HGH is the cut up ripped Manny who was never seen before Ariza's introduction to this story. You call it a theory but just how your entitled to your opinion,I'm entitled to mine. You have no real evidence that Manny isn't clean just like I have no real evidence that Manny isnt clean other than what hes done which nobody else in the history of the sport has done and how he freaked out during the first Floyd/Pac negociations. Stalemate.
     
  11. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I understand but what your saying but I specifically wrote that that was his fight night weight and that 145 was his official weigh in weight vs Cotto which was not on fight night. I'm not trying to twist nothing and I have no agenda. Its just my belief and my opinion that Manny does HGH and EPO.
     
  12. Ringnut

    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And your opinion is based on the difference of how Pac looked in a fight where he cut 15-18 lbs and in a fight where he cut 3-5 lbs and which also happened more than a year and a half later? Ok.
     
  13. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Ariza is a scholar and a fellow Aztec alumni of mine.

    His credentials and record speaks for itself.
     


  14. :lol::lol:

    this is comparable to "floored", "16 ounces gloves" and "oscar will ko pac with a jab " :lol::lol::lol:


    ask the poor ****** what school did he go to.. google school?

    :rofl
     
  15. GOW7

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    Thats just one aspect of my opinion. The fact of the matter is there is no evidence he is dirty and there is no evidence hes clean. All the tests Manny has done were done when him and his team knew the exact time and place the tests were going to be performed. When Floyd brought up the word "random" they freaked right out and left negociations. The tests performed by the NASC only look for hepatitus c,HIV and other bull**** and may look for high testosterone levels due to steroid use. It doesn't look for a high red blood cell count and other determining features assoiciating HGH and EPO that the USDA does when conducting a test. You can't find an article stating Manny was scared of needles or is superstitious due to the deflamation of character lawsuit. But if you go to anysource of interviews done Manny and Roach and Bob called the testing as a form of harassment done to Manny by Floyd because Floyd knows Manny has a phobia of needles. Ive already posted those videos plenty of times and people just write it off or don't even watch them. I think Manny is just a puppet who does and says what he's told to. I doubt he even knows what much is going on. But his people around him are another thing. The only evidence will be when he does finally accept random testing.