Armstrongs ranking at Featherweight and Lightweight

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Ok

    1) do you think he's worthy of top 10 status as an atg feather weight?

    2) ditto for lightweight.

    that better :good
     
  2. Swarmer

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    No primary sources or press clippings but that's the man's account of it.
    1)Yes, easily.

    2)Hard to say. I think he goes very far on wars with ambers here.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    I was thinking about arguello more because he's a dominant well established force in the 2 divisions.

    JMM is like the current version of a FW/LW fighter.

    I get Armstrong being a reat WW and a H2H great at FW/Lw but on paper i'm not sure what he did in them weights hold up to scrutiny.
     
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    yeah I might make it a more specific thread i.e. hank or arguello in the two divisions.

    I can't think of any more notable FW/LW greats off top of my head?
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    This is the problem with ranking weight hoppers, Armstrong also fought top FWs and LWs at the WW limit. He didn't face Burley/Holman/Cocoa Kid at WW though, which are all WW black marks imo
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    he did but surely they count towards his WW legacy right?

    his resume is fantastic, that can't be doubted. but if he wins against guys at the WW limit they shouldn't count towards the LW limit right?

    I mean Patterson beat Maxim, durrelle and Moore but he isn't remembered as a great LHW.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    poll added just to get a general comparison going.
     
  8. bodhi

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    Yeah, Top10 fw, even Top5 icould be argued.

    At lightweight his 1-1 over Ambers goes a long way, especially since his loss is highly controversial and he got points deducted for which Ambers didn´t. So, he probably should be 2-0 there. That´s better than anything JMM did so far by far - I don´t think JMM is anywhere close to Top10 at lw. Arguellos combined sfw and lw resume is better though. I think you can rank Armstrong as a Top10 lw but you also can make a terific Top10 lw list without him. Stacked division that is.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    2 fights can't make someone a top 10 though right?
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    Depends if Bodhi likes them or not Armstrong 'Yes', Walker 'Yes', 'Jones' 'No, not enough fights' :lol:

    I find Arguello and Armstrong to compare and contrast, 2 incredibly different styles and careers in very different eras

    Well I suppose it depends if you give bonus points to results at higher weights. Armstrong was 132lbs against Ross too, a small LW. That's a problem I have with lists. Armstrong's a great fighter but at WW isn't really a great H2H fighter because he's too small
     
  11. bodhi

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    Yes and no.

    If the quality of the opponent is good enough and the division is weak enough, yeah. See Jones Jr. at smw. His win over Toney is good enough to get him even into the Top5.

    On the other hand you have a stacked lw division and a fighter with two wins over an undoubtly prime atg lw. Now, it depends on how much you think of Ambers. If you have him at Top5, which is not unreasonable, this can elevate Armstrong into the Top10. If you have Ambers borderline Top10, which isn´t unreasonable either, than you can´t rank Armstong Top10. So, Armstrong´s ranking at lw depends mostly on your ranking of Ambers. Personally, I don´t rank Ambers Top5 but I rank him quite close to it which means for Armstrong he is close to the Top10 but not quite in it. At least right now.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    the reason I use arguello and Armstrong is because both will rank very high H2H in these weights and yet whilst armstrong is traditionally ranked highly in both without doing as much, arguello is rarely ranked highly in both despite being a dominant champ.
     
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    well at LWW oscar only beat gonzalez and chavez, I wouldn't put him in the top 10 for that.
     
  14. bodhi

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    You think they are prime high-ranked atgs at that weight?
     
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    well gonzalez was prime and very high p4p ranked.

    chavez was past prime but an atg champ, at the weight.