Arreola picks Wilder to beat Ruiz

Even with "no footwork" Ruiz was able to go 50-50 with 12 round pointfighter Parker in New Zealand. Hopefully this fight happens and we'll see how Wilder compares.

 

I find it funny your the one to say i've made clownish statement, with some of your absurd comments you've made on this forum.

Not sure what height or having right hand power has to do with talent or boxing skills but ok.

No it wouldn't be "suicidal" there's a difference between having some extra weight, and being grossly overweight which Ruiz is. Ruiz's weight does become a hinderance to Ruiz's performances like it did vs Ortiz, Joshua 2. Clearly Ruiz does need to lose some weight, and suggesting he doesn't is ridiculous.

 

You're a fanboy of previous eras and are this incapable of thinking rationally about this one, hence your idea that a 43 year old, almost 2 year retired retired Vitali would KO Wilder, or Ruiz being "more talented" than Wilder.

Being very tall, fleet of foot and powerful are all physical talents, asserting that Ruiz has "more talent" than Wilder is a joke. If Ruiz had an all-round skillset he wouldn't have been struggling with guys that Wilder dominated years prior. Watch the Arreola fights, as a pointfighter Wilder is definitely superior to Ruiz. Andy wouldn't be able to do well enough against Fury 1 to get even a controversial draw, it would have been an easy 12-0 shutout.

Ruiz was the same weight against Ortiz as he was against Joshua 1. 250's to 260's is Ruiz's optimal fighting weight, regardless of aesthetics. Ruiz will come in the same weight he usually does for Wilder (260's) get outpointed and then poleaxed.

 

A fanboy of previous eras you are joking right ? you do realize i'm in my early 20s right ? yes i do appreciate the older eras. But i don't show any biased views or favouritism, it's more due to the fact i don't rate Wilder very highly based on his skill set. I do think fighters like Usyk and Fury could do very well in past Heavyweight era's.

I think your misunderstanding what i'm saying, yes Wilder has more physical gifts than Ruiz regarding attributes. But i'm talking about pure boxing. Ruiz has quicker hands, better technique, puts his punches together better, yes i do believe Ruiz has more talent and boxing skills than Wilder in that regard.

Ruiz is short for a Heavyweight and has to beat taller fighters than himself all the time based on his skills and talent, the very fact he's so out of shape and still does it is evident of that. For example if Wilder didn't have his crushing right hand power, would he have beat Ortiz the 1st time ? would he have comeback vs Szpilka ? would he have won a round vs Fury ? he does all that based on his power which is very dangerous, but his actually boxing skills are fairly limited and crude at times.

And you keep saying Ruiz struggled against this guy and that guy, who has the best win between the two fighters ? Wilder hasn't beaten anyone as good as Anthony Joshua. And Ruiz beat Wilder's best win "Ortiz" knocking him down 3 times, while not even getting out of 2nd gear fighting very lackluster.

That could happen yeah i never disputed Wilder couldn't beat Ruiz, but i still think Ruiz has better fundamentals than Wilder. And if Wilder did indeed beat Ruiz it would arguably be the best opponent Wilder has ever beaten, depending on if you rate Ruiz over Ortiz with his recent win over him.

 

"you do realize i'm in my early 20s right"

You don't have to be 50 years old to say things like "Mike Tyson would KO any modern boxer in 1 round" (not that I ascribe this to you but I have no doubt that many commenters on Tyson compilation videos are in their teens or 20's)

You asserted that Szpilka was schooling Wilder did you not? It's a funny kind of schooling when you're trailing on the punch stats, when most viewers think you were behind on points and you're 6-2 down on the cards, before getting sparked out brutally. The problem is that you (and many others) fail to understand Wilder's style and strategy. You assume that if he isn't throwing a lot of volume and drops some rounds the other guy is winning or coming close to beating him. When the truth is that no one other than Fury or Ortiz in the 1st fight came close to beating Wilder and even Ortiz wasn't close to outpointing Wilder over 12.

A 5'9 Toney was 233 lbs against Peter the first time and 237 lbs when he drew with Rahman but he was not remotely out of shape given the task at hand and the attributes he needed. The 250's version of Toney was out of shape at HW, just as the 280's version of Ruiz was.

Ruiz was only able to beat Joshua because he was extremely fat; a hypothetical 215 lbs Ruiz would have been bulldozed as he would have lacked the strength, power and punch resistance he has at 268 lbs. Joshua also wouldn't have underestimated a non-obese Ruiz, or feared losing to him as much, so Ruiz's psychological advantages would have been minimised.

"he does all that based on his power"

Wilder wins due to a long list of attributes he has, obviously length, speed, timing, power, toughness, determination and experience being some of the main ones. He's also very skilled at setting up his right hand, which is why he lands it so consistently.

Ruiz looked poor against a 43 year old Ortiz (who Wilder had KO'd 4.5 years prior) and won a controversial 12 round decision because Ortiz is a skilled, experienced, tenacious, hard-hitting southpaw, even though his athleticism and punch resistance have declined significantly. Ruiz is 32/33, took Ortiz very seriously and is more experienced than the version who went 50-50 with Parker and beat Joshua. Barring Joshua 1, where are the impressive Ruiz performances? If Ruiz was all that he wouldn't have massively underperformed against that 4 man list of mutual opponents relative to Wilder.

"but i still think Ruiz has better fundamentals than Wilder"

I'm sure some lightweights and featherweights have better fundamentals than any heavyweight but it doesn't matter. I don't even know if it's true that Ruiz has better fundamentals: the jab is a key fundamental and Wilder has a vastly better jab than Ruiz. Wilder could win the fight largely with his jab, just as he did vs Arreola and Stiverne 1.

"Ruiz it would arguably be the best opponent Wilder has ever beaten"

You could plausibly argue he's as high as 1st or as low as 4th. But given the styles and levels involved, he wouldn't look like nearly the best opponent Wilder has beaten.

 

Wilder probably beats him but Wilder has a gas tank for 6 rounds so he better does it early.

 

Fat Andy fought poorly because, as he admitted after the fight, he was wary of Ortiz's power and counters. He said many times before the fight that he found the southpaw stance awkward. He's also a small plodder who finds it hard to deal with a jab.

Ruiz performing far worse against all of his mutual opponents with AJ is part of what made it such an enormous, freak upset. The exception does not disprove the rule.

 

I just think personally everytime we've had an discussion we disagree on something, no offence to you but i don't like keep going back and forth over the same subject, it gets tiring again no offence to you. So if you don't mind i'm going to take myself out of the discussion now, what i will finally say is you make some decent points but i don't agree with all of it, your not going to convince me on Wilder though. I think his skillset is pretty crude and poor at times, he has range and very power which makes him dangerous i agree on that, but nothing else regarding that.

I'll agree to disagree.

 

Reckon Helenius would be a real problem for Ruiz. Already beat his Polish twin twice.