Arreola vs Toney for chance at Wlad?

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  1. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I say this could be a fight of the year and we will find out once and for all which among them should get a shot at Wlad.

    If Toney has enough left he should easily dominate Arreola, unless he doesn't have enough left in which case Arreola will dominate him. Either way one of them should be able to get Wlad.

    Why haven't they fought already? Toney is fighting mandatory challengers for what? he has the IBO title or something?

    Anyway here are Toney's last 3 fights and his weights

    He looked fantastic against Greer. That Toney would beat the **** out of Arreola. He looked the worst I've ever seen him against Damon Reed and that Toney loses to the current Arreola. The winner of this fight could very well be the fighter that comes in shape.


    They both have been fighting similar level competition as well. And are at a similar skill level. This is a fight I'd actually want to see because their styles match up perfectly as well.
     
    Boxmaster, Jul 10, 2011
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  2. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    Arreola would beat up Toney bad, it's not 2003 anymore.
     
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  3. JMP

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    Even if he gets his ass into shape, I don't think Toney has anything left. Arreola would just outwork him, which wouldn't be nice to watch considering Arreola is the type of fighter JT used to excel against.
     
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  4. gregor

    gregor Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney was finished when Peter OUTBOXED him in the rematch. Now he is 42, inactive and something like 50+ pounds over his optimal weight. At this stage, Arreola has good chance to stop him.
     
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  5. FAT_TONEY

    FAT_TONEY Active Member Full Member

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    This fight would come 2-3 years too late. Even if Toney could get in halfway decent shape for him (below 230lbs), I can see an Arreola points win here, and I don't want to see that. Pre 2008 I'm certain that Toney would have schooled Arreolas ass - the difference in skill is just ridiculous.

    Oh yeah, and Toney's been calling out Arreola back in 2008, when they both had the same promoter. And both men wanted the fight, but their promoter Dan Goossen and Arreolas manager Al Haymon didn't want it, as they knew Toney would kick their new rising star Arreolas butt. This is one of the reasons why Toney split with Goossen..

    Oh, and as for Toney looking 'fantastic' against Greer - James did indeed look pretty good, but Greer is such a bum that this fight proved nothing at all. Greer is not even a top 100 US HW.
     
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  6. ChrisKim47

    ChrisKim47 Active Member Full Member

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    160 was Toney's optimal weight :D Oquendo where did you go man?
    He must have been so pissed after that decision he decided to hang em up.
     
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  7. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    This would've been a good fight... in 2008.
     
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  8. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Arreola would kick tonys ass
    Too much workrate and althought Chris might miss than normal there is no way toney can 1. keep up any kind of offense 2. have enough to power to keep arreola honest. a few years ago this would have been a great fight now its pointless any of the top 10 handle toney no problem - its not about talent for toney is abut the fact hes old, slow and fat
     
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  9. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the saddest thing that could happen to the HW division right now is matching Toney against WK
     
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    hmmmm let me ponder this out loud.

    wlad is free for now

    vitali v adamek
    povetkin v chagaev
    thompson v chambers
    helenius v lyakhovic

    by my reckoning there is still boystov and dmitrenko available. both offer far better preperation for wlad than toney does. plus a winner in this match would be kleeping up with the other guys who, finally, are all beginning to fight each other.
     
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  11. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Arreola has been fighting the same bum level competition as Toney. I don't see why you'd think Arreola has any advantage apart from being the younger guy.

    If Toney gets in shape because of his style he has a lot left. He does have the sort of style that gets better with age, like a Hopkins. His only problem is he doesn't stay in the best shape.
     
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  12. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Toney and Arreola need to fight each other. They've been ducking each other forever and they are even skill level.

    If people don't think Toney has anything left the only way to find out is to match him up with someone he should have been able to beat a couple years ago and find out.
     
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  13. CHEF

    CHEF Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    TONEY??
    Please... you really think people want to see Wlad Toney?
     
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  14. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I would rather see Vitali v.s Toney simply because I think Vitali would take his time with the ****er and give him the Briggs treatment for all the insults over the years. Wladimir would knock Toney out within 6-7 rounds probably.

    Either way it's a mismatch. But I remember Toney talking a lot of **** about Vitali in 2004-05. Hell Toney talks **** and insults pretty much everybody though. :lol:

    "There will never be a white heavyweight champion. So ya'll just need to stop. Stop it." -James Toney after his DRAW with Rahman in 2006 :patsch
     
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  15. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He came in at like 257 for his last fight, that's like 90 lbs past his prime fighting weight.
     
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