Arthur Abraham is good !!

I like Abraham and I hope he fights at suppermiddle soon...He lacks stamina at 160 because he struggles so much to make weight...

 

I've got nothing against either guy, I just want to see it for the good of the sport. Right now I'm leaning towards Pavlik so long as Kelly fights a smart fight behind his jab and doesn't hang his chin out there, at which point Abraham could exploit it because he's got the kind of power to end it in one punch if he catches you flush. If Arthur can't knock him out, though, I don't think he'll be able to throw enough leather to win on the scorecards.

 

Abraham is very good, no doubt about it.

 

How many time does Taylor have to get koed before you realize he does not have it. He has in the past looked good but against much smaller fighters. Froch was not a top fighter but a tough guy in the right place at the right time. If Taylor was anywhere near as good as you believe he should have never lost that fight. I do not like his chances at all agasint a tough hard core slugger like A.A. I see a one punch ko and Taylor thinking very hard about retirement. For his own health he should avoid this match up. Two of his looses have been brutal koes, very damageing. He is taking flush shots from pretty slow fighters. Did you not see how bad he was starched by Froch. That has got to take something out of you. I am serious when I talk about his quitting the sport, he is a nice kid with good manners. It would be ashame to see him damaged.

 

whos in ur avatar!? :shock:

 

Myself as an AA AND Pavlik fan(like AA a little better to be honest), have debated with a lot of the hardcore pavlik fans. Jermain Taylor beats AA at 160, rather easily. Pavlik beats Jermain Taylor at 160 or 168. Now before I write anymore, I just want to point out, at 168, against AA, Jermain Taylor does not see round 11. Jermain Taylors best carreer wins was at 160, yes he lost to Pavlik, but Pavlik has Jermain Taylors number at ANY weight. I just do not see Taylor competitve at 168. His power was overrated at 160(example; kassem ouma and spinks) and at 168, the big boys will NOT fear nor respect his power. If you have noticed, even when he knocked down Froch, it did not seem like it hurt nor stunned Froch one bit and Froch was fighting the exact same way before he got knocked down.

 

he is good.

been waiting on him vs pavlik for a couple years now

 

Pavlik normally beats seven shades of **** out of short power punchers, but he hasn't faced one as durable as Abraham. The peak-a-boo style, heavy hands, low methodical work rate. Pavlik has seen all that before. Arthur has never faced anyone close to Pavlik. Tall, heavy handed, high work rate, long arms, good fundamentals; that's a package AA has not dealt with. In fact, Abraham has never been in the ring with a world champion, and he has only faced two fighters over 6 foot. They were Ikeke, and Simon. The similarities between Pavlik, and Ikeke start AND stop at being tall. Pavlik is to #43 ranked LuJaun Simon what apple butter is to cat ****.

Many of those who predict a Pavlik win predict a win by decision. I disagree. Both of these guys are very good at what they do, and what they do is leave the vast majority of their opponents slumped in a heap on the canvass. I would be surprised to see this go a full 12 rounds, and KP has a higher KO ratio against better opposition. Miranda hurt Arthur BAD in their first fight. Kelly would have finished him.

Arthur lost 4 rounds to Simon, a guy Pavlik would stop in 5 rounds or less. People critizize Pavlik for fighting Rubio. He was a mandatory challenger, and would represent a step up over most of AA's title defenses. When AA was busy with Marquez, who was a mandatory, Pavlik fought Hopkins. When KP was busy with Lockett, also a mandatory, Arthur fought a rematch with Miranda. When Pavlik was busy with the rematch obligation to Jermain, Arthur fought Elvin Ayala (Zuniga was the rightful mandatory.) During the period when Pavlik fought consecutive fights with Zertuche, Miranda, and Jermain Taylor, Arthur fought Demers, Gevor, and Elcock. Neither guy has what I would call a stellar resume', but Pavlik is way ahead of AA where quality of opposition is concerned.

Arthur is tough, but tough ain't enough. LuJaun Simon, ranked #43 at the time, won 4 rounds because of height, reach, and a decent jab. Pavlik is taller, longer, and has 5 times the jab Simon has.

Abraham has numerous bad habits that Pavlik will make him pay for. He throws a lot of wide looping shots that will not reach Pavlik and will leave him wide open to a jab-right hand that comes right down the pipe. He also has a bad habit of lunging in with his head and shoulders sticking way out past his feet. If he does that against Pavlik, his corner will have to gather his head up out of the front row.

Pavlik is a stalker who applies constant pressure. His methodology is simple. Stalk 'em, stun 'em, put 'em on the ropes and unleash hell. One thing I noticed about Arthur is that the slightest amount of pressure sends him to the ropes or a corner. Several of his opponents had him on the ropes, and just let him go because they could not engage without getting in range to be countered. That will not be the case with Pavlik who has a 3" reach advantage. In addition to an overall reach advantage, Kelly has relatively long arms, and Arthur has short arms. Kelly normally has to bully guys back to the ropes. Arthur will most likely volunteer to go exactly where Pavlik wants him, and you can't counter what you can't reach.

An opponent MUST NOT let Pavlik trap him on the ropes. Arthur has to do everything he can to keep the fight in the center of the ring. One problem here is that it takes speed and smart movement equal to BHop or Taylor in the rematch to pull that off. Arthur does not have the needed attributes or skills at that level. A second problem is that going to the ropes is what Arthur does naturally. He WANTS to go there, and that's where Pavlik's victims go to die.

These frequent comparisons between Abraham's defense and a prime Winky are either pure nuthuggery, or made by people who don't know much about Winky. Winky has ungodly long arms. Unlike Winky, Arthur cannot put on the ear muffs and protect his body at the same time. He has to choose. Pavlik will throw some well placed lead rights and left hooks up under Arthur's respective elbows, and the guard will come down.

In addition, the debate over whether or not Pavlik can penetrate Arthur's guard is over. Simon busted through and snapped AA's head back with jabs multiple times. If a club fighter can do that, imagine what KP will do.

Pavlik really needs to watch himself on a couple of his bad habits too. Sometimes when the right hand misses Kelly falls in really bad. When that happens it leaves him way out of position and off balance. That's a perfect time for AA to exlpode without notice. However, if he catches Kelly with one of those near-perfect right hands he occasionally launches, he must not get sloppy with the follow up. If he does, Kelly will make him pay for it. Or, at the very least, survive and recuperate.

KP must not stop to admire his handy work. Seriously! If you watch Pav closely, you'll notice that once in a while after he throws a particularly nice right hand, he pauses for a split second, leaves his right hanging out in the middle of nowhere, and just looks at his opponent. I did not see him do that in his last fight, but that does not mean he has completely broken the habit. Not a good idea against a guy like Arthur.

Finally, Pav should probably avoid his normal bully routine. Kelly does not mind takin' an ass whoopin'. He's perfectly willing to throw defense out the window so that he can keep throwing punches and bully his opponent into the position he wants him in. That's probably not the best way to approach Arthur. Kelly probably needs to slow down a little, focus less on work rate, and more on defense and accuracy.

I could say a lot more about these two, but this post is already to long. If the best version of AA shows up, he has a good punchers chance, but will probably get stopped in 8 or 9 rounds. The version that fought Simon would not see the end of 5. Either way, at some point Pavlik catches Abraham on the ropes, turns the ring into a phone booth, and sucks the life out of him.

 

it take for you to address my point? atsch

 

now watch Abraham vs Simon

 

Why is that? :?

From all that I've seen of AA's TV appearances he seemed like a very likeable guy each time. The most recent one I'm aware of:

http://www.ardmediathek.de/ard/servlet/content/2360222

The older guy he's joking with is the owner of Germany's third largest drugstore chain, Rossmann.

 

- I don't agree with that, as Abraham doesn't move much, he just stands there and absorbs shots with his hands and forearms.

 

king arthur is a good fighter....:goodbut he is not good enough to beat the elite at supermiddle weight..........

 

1 to Hopkins.

 

:nono Pavlik has never fought Gevor as far as I know,booradly!