Arthur Abraham Vs. Marvin Hagler (prime)

I'm not sure why people are certain Hagler KOs or stops Abraham - there's no real logic to suggest this at all - it's a bit stupid to be so certain.

Having said that.....this is a stupid thread in that I give Abraham about a 3% chance of beating Hagler.

 

What the **** are you babbling about Boo ?

Exactly one poster so far has picked Abraham (That's Huki, who loses more boxing knowledge each time he shits, than you'll ever have).

And while I disagree with Huki here, and picked Hagler by wide UD, I respect Huki's opinion.



Like you have such a great track record picking outcomes on here, especially in fights involving Eurofighters ?


You're slowly morphing into a troll.

 

Hagler would likely win, but I think Abraham could beat the guy Hagler drew with ( Vito A )

 

Maybe you should watch Hagler vs Hearns and keep in mind, as your watching it, that Hearns was an ATG and threw bombs.

I think you may be mistaking the "turtle shell" defense for a great chin. I would agree with you that AA has good defense though.

 

I watched that fight the night it happened.

And a good number of times since.

Even though it's short, it was (is) one of the greatest fights ever, with more action than many twelve rounders.

But you have to put some things into perspective here.

Hearns did not have big power at 160 and higher. His 'hit-man' reputation was built up during his welter-weight days when he did have fearsome power.

So while the fight was great, and Hagler absorbed a lot of shots, Hearns' power at that weight is not at the level of an Abraham, IMO.

I did post that I felt Abraham's chin was better than Hagler's, by a whisker (a pun, if anyone was paying attention).

And I did say I wouldn't argue the point too much.

All the posts up till then were quite certain that Hagler would kill/destroy/murder/ slaughter Abraham, so I tossed in some reaction to that.

(I might point out that neither man has ever been KOd and, to my knowledge, Hagler has been down, whereas Arthur hasn't, not that I put a lot of stock in KDs as a measure of chin).

But I don't believe it's unreasonable to suppose that a bigger, stronger fighter, who fought (and won) over eight rounds with a broken jaw, and has never been hurt in his career, might go the distance with a smaller man who went the distance with (lightweight) Duran and Welterweight (Leonard) and middleweight Antuofermo ( going 1 win, 1 loss and 1 draw with those three).

To be so dismissive of someone who suggests that Hagler will merely win by a wide UD, that's a bit much.



(Of course, such is to be expected on a forum where not long ago, in a similar thread with a hypothetical regarding Hagler and Calzaghe, the majority of posters spewed forth similar rhetoric with similar descriptions of what Marvin would do to Joe.)

 

Huki was joking, clearly.

 

He may well have been (but certainly not clearly).

And if he was, that reduces to zero, the number who picked King Arthur.



And that would make Boo's post even dafter and even more trollesque !

 

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His accuracy and punch placement more than made up for any slight lack (if even) of power in comparison to Abraham.

Hagler has never been legitimately down either, the "knockdown" against Roldan was clearly a slip that Roldan managed to capitalize on by hitting Hagler in the back of the head while he was off balance.

Abraham is neither significantly bigger nor stronger, where are you getting this? He has a one inch height advantage, Hagler a 3 inch reach advantage, and they don't get too much stronger than Hagler at MW. Abraham could certainly go the distance with Hagler, but that wasn't the point. The point was that you claimed Abraham (who's really only faced the very limited Miranda as far as big punchers go) had a better chin than Hagler, who's chin and durability are legendary, and are constantly ranked among the elite in the sport's history, and for good reason. Facing and taking the best from punchers like Hearns, Hart, Briscoe, Mugabi, Obel, Roldan, Hamsho, etc prove this. Fighting with a broken jaw more or less shows courage and resolve rather than a great chin, though Abraham's durability is not in question. In comparison to Hagler's however?

 

Agreed, mostly.

However, the Shuler fight from your You-tube was the exception at that weight. He didn't have the same rate of KOs up there as at welter.

I merely pointed out that he'd been down, unlike Abraham. And I added that I put little stock in KDs as a chin-measure.

Abraham is fighting in an era when the weigh-in is previous day. For practical purposes, that puts him a weight category bigger than the MWs of Hagler's day.

(And he has moved up to SMW, still with previous day weigh-in rules)

And, if you go back and read what I posted to you last night (post # thirty-eight), and posted again tonight to another poster, I explained the statement (meant more as a reaction to some of the nonsensical hyperbole earlier in the thread, all of which were certain in their prediction of a Hagler 'murder' )

So, in summary, I stick by the very first post I made in the thread, save perhaps for the part in red, whose original inclusion was mostly reactive.

 

Honestly, I see this as very similar to the John Mugabi fight.I think Hagler would win more rounds however, and not stop Abraham. Itd be a fairly wide Hagler UD win.

Abraham would have 2 or so rounds where he would really let his hands go, and just like Mugabi, just like Antuofermo, and just like Hamsho, he could outpoint Marvin in a round. Winning some rounds off of Hagler isnt the Herculean, legendary task folks are making it to be. Lots of fighters took rounds of the legendary Hagler.

Abraham is too defensive and inactive, however, and Hagler would plug away and pile up tremendous points. But Abraham would win a round, atleast.

 

Fair and sane speculation.

 

Hagler by UD

 

good post!

 

No way

 

Hagler wide UD, Abraham has got balls