Here is a link reporting on Dempsey and Billy Miskes training for their title fight,and a brief account of Dempsey sparring with Harry Greb http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40B14F73455157A93C1A91782D85F448285F9
Interesting how Miske was reported to have grown muscularly bigger since he last met Dempsey. Unusual for a dying man.
Yeah right. And all the reports and Dempsey fighting lesser fighters instead of Greb has been fabricated, right? atsch
this shows your ignorance of the sport. Greb was used as a sparring partner and was not a heavyweight contender for Dempseys title
Yes, he was, he was ranked amongst the most likely contenders for Dempsey's title. This has been repeatedly demonstrated to you and yet you continue to claim the opposite based upon one newspaper article. Bizarre. And probably partly what led you to be banned.
nothing whatsoever to do with me being banned for 7 days, i was banned for being insulting to Burt and nothing else... yet i feel it is you who needs banned because of the lies you repeatedly tell on this forum. your notorious for them and this post here once again shows you in that light. your claiming Greb was a HEAVYWEIGHT CONTENDER when you know that to be a lie. Greb was never ever a Heavyweight contender, Greb and his backers was looking for a huge payday and made several small offers to Tex Rickard & Jack Dempsey for Dempsey to fight Greb with those backers promoting the fight. Yet Dempsey and Rickard rightly told them where to go because why should they make money off Dempsey's name. Rickard had hundreds of offers for Dempsey to fight against various opponents all over the world yet he was in contol and done it his own way, which is why a Jack Dempsey fight was a $1.ooo,ooo payday and 120,000+ crowd in attendence. The bottom line is that Greb was nothing other than a sparring partner for who Dempsey used for speed training and was not a Heavyweight contender like you try to imply. Great fighter that Greb was in his own weight class of 160-175 but no match for Dempsey. So McGrain take your lies elsewhere and leave debating to real boxing fans.
It doesn't surprise me at all that Dempsey tired against a superior boxer like Greb. Dempsey wanted no part of Greb in a proffesional ring and elected to face the harmless Jimmy Darcy(160 lbs) instead.
I find it incredibly interesting that Dempsey and Greb stage such open sparring sessions that really seemed like they were not too far off full matches. It would be almost like Wladmir Klitchkso fighting Adamek in the lead up to the Haye fight. It really did give people an excellent chance to guage the worth of the challengers. It is a shame that Miske never had any serious sparring partners, and as was pointed out maybe it was for obvious reasons, butthen again, it is also telling that he did make easy work of the ones he did have.
I agree, I would not judge fights to much on how the sparing goes. It is practice for fighting not fighting itself. Often you don't want to use all your advanteges in sparing in order to learn to fight better. After reading this I believe even more that Dempsey was trying to beat Greb at his own game. I used to do the same thing when practicing with weaker people. Whats the point of just using superior athleticism to beat people in sparing? In my opinion there is not much to be learned by just physicaly dominating someone in practice. I believe a fighter of Dempsey's level would know that much.
