Artur Asilbekovich Beterbiev vs Oleksandr Sergeevich Gvozdyk next Friday!

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Light Heavyweight Championship of the World

  1. Beterbiev Decision

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  2. Beterbiev KO

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  3. Draw

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  4. Gvozdyk Decision

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  5. Gvozdyk KO

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It's almost Nail Time! :ibutt
     
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  2. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, it’s quite easy to tell how this fight will unfold, in fact (not how or when it will end, though). Gvozdyk is an almost exclusively long range fighter, and Beterbiev is the most effective at close or middle distance. So, if for some weird reason Beterbiev doesn’t decide to actually box with Gvozdyk (and the Nail would love that, I’m sure) this fight will be quite straightforward: Gvozdyk will be very careful, will try to move a lot and box from the outside, and Beterbiev will try to close the distance and get inside. But, surprisingly, despite all his huge experience, Beterbiev doesn’t know how to close the distance in an adequate and responsible way (well, maybe not that surprisingly, because nobody taught boxers that in the Soviet/Russian amateur system). In his last fight (vs. Kalajdzič), for example, he was literally lunging/running towards the opponent with his head quite open…

    So, the outcome of this fight will be determined by this phase – the transition from the long to the close distance. If Beterbiev manages to do it successfully, he will most probably stop Gvozdyk. If the Nail finds adequate answers to that (for example, he can just move laterally, playing a toreador with Beterbiev, making him look stupid) he will hold the two belts and be crowned as the best light-heavyweight after the fight.
     
  3. minemax

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    Joseph Adorno is on the undercard. He looks like an interesting prospect.
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  4. Serge

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    Oleksandr Gvozdyk (17-0, 14 knockouts)

    In his last five fights, Gvozdyk has five wins and no losses. He won by TKO in the 5th round against Doudou Ngumbu in March of this year, knocked out Adonis Stevenson last December in the 11th round, won a unanimous decision against Mehdi Amar in March of 2018, won by TKO against Craig Baker in August of 2017 and won by TKO against Yunieski Gonzalez in April of 2017. Gvozdyk gets a knockout 82% of the time.

    "He is a strong fighter. He's a stylish boxer with rich amateur experience. I'm in the prime of my life.” Gvozdyk said to the media, “I can respond to him extremely well. This is a serious athlete and a serious challenge for me."

    Gvozdyk and Beterbiev met as amateurs about 10 years ago and it was Beterbiev winning in the second round. Gvozdyk said that both of them are much different fighters now. "In 2009, I lost to him at a tournament in Turkey - my nose started to bleed. The fight was stopped in the second round. I went into that fight with a broken nose. For me, this was the first trip with the national team, and Beterbiev was already a great amateur champion. But that was ten years ago.

    Today both of us are different boxers. We'll see," Gvozdyk said to the media, "They threw me in there like a victim into a tiger's cage. Objectively speaking, I was not ready for that fight - neither mentally nor physically. Plus, ten days before him, my nose was broken - I did not train and did not intend to box at all. They asked to go out for this, to gain further experience. I perfectly understand who I have to face now. This is a serious puncher. We will fight."

    Artur Beterbiev (14-0, 14 knockouts)

    In his last five fights, Beterbiev has five wins and no losses. He won by knockout against Radivoje Kalajdzic in May of this year, knocked out Callum Johnson in October of 2018, knocked out Enrico Kolling in November of 2017, won by TKO against Isidro Ranoni Prieto in December of 2016 and won by TKO against Ezequiel Madema in June of 2016. Beterbiev gets a knockout win 100% of the time.
     
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  5. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And this fight won't be broadcasted in the UK? Somehow... :dunno
     
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  8. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I went with the Nail by KO.

    I have zero time for Beterbiev since he called that stain Kadyrov a 'hero'.
     
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  9. Rilz

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    Yup, this made me do a complete about-face. I thought he was an exciting fighter, and I was eager to cheer him on as he seemed to have had a lot of issues beyond his control outside of the ring, keeping him from entering the ring. Now that I know Kadyrov is in the picture, I am all in against him every time he does get in that ring.
     
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  10. Sugar 88

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    All in like Wallin.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    A few more things to consider.....

    It's obvious that I lean heavily in Gvozdyk's direction. I think stylistically he's all wrong for Beterbiev. Beterbiev has always been ultra aggressive and has a tendency to lunge in, and usually catching his opponents with looping hooks, or at the very least scaring them onto the ropes where he can pin them there and do his work. But none of his opponents to date has possessed the footwork and lateral movement to evade his power shots and avoid being pinned along the ropes. None of them had the spiteful power jab to keep Beterbiev second guessing and afraid of walking onto something, and none of them had the great equalizer, which is that absolutely hellish straight right of his. Now.... Beterbiev is a monstrous puncher.... or is he? Clearly he has power, but... It took him 12 to stop Koelling who he pressed throughout. 5 to stop Hot Rod, who was going toe to toe and literally trading with him. 4 to stop Callum Johnson, who was being the aggressor, while I love Callum, by all rights, that should have been over in 1 or 2 rounds based on styles.

    What I'm saying is, his power is a little overrated. He literally goes hunting for the KO from the opening bell, sitting down on almost every shot he throws. Whereas Gvozdyk's power is very underrated. He lays back on the backfoot and catches guys coming in and hurts them. And that's guys who are usually being quite cautious, that are trying to avoid being hit and aren't making a ton of mistakes. When you aren't even looking to hurt your opponents because you have such confidence they'll eventually walk onto something big. That IMO is far more impressive power wise. So when you're front foot heavy and you don't have amazing defense and might be a little chinny. And facing a guy that can generate that much power on the backfoot. That's a possible recipe for disaster.

    I'm a realist and a tad bit torn, I'm not crazy, I know there is a possibility in this match that Beterbiev could catch him cold and hurt him, and then finish the job. When there's two tremendous KO artists squaring off, anything can possibly happen. So make no mistakes, anyone can win this match. But gun to my head, the styles definitely favor Gvozdyk, especially when taking into consideration he might just be the real puncher in this equation.
     
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    ‘ICEMAN’ JOHN SCULLY OFFERS INSIGHT INTO ARTUR BETERBIEV CAMP AHEAD OF OLEKSANDR GVOZDYK UNIFICATION


    Artur Beterbiev is in Philadelphia ahead of one of the most anticipated showdowns of the year.

    The IBF ruler meets WBC king Oleksandr Gvozdyk at the Liacouras Center in “The City of Brotherly Love” and boxing fans are expecting a Fight of the Year contender.

    Beterbiev’s assistant trainer John Scully has been in Montreal for seven weeks helping head coach Marc Ramsay, working as “a second pair of eyes”.

    “I hold the pads for him, we go through different techniques and we go over strategy with Marc. We work as a team,” said the former light heavyweight title challenger.

    “We watch the films together. I think Gvozdyk’s very good, he’s tricky, he uses his height very well. He’s not somebody you can sleepwalk through. You really have to be on your game and you really have to have a strategy to counter him because if you let him dictate the fight, he will do that.”

    Both men can crack. Beterbiev has stopped all 14 of his opponents, Gvozdyk has halted 14 of 17 but Scully thinks his man has the greater firepower.

    “I think there’s a difference in power in terms of Arthur debilitates people when he hits them,” Scully continued. “When he hits them, they just lose it. Most of the guys at light heavyweight can punch pretty solidly and I’m sure Gvozdyk has good power, but it’s going to be hard to find someone at that weight who hits harder than Arthur.”

    If both start free-swinging, fans could be treated to the type of fight former Philly light heavy favorite Matthew Saad Muhammad gave them countless times in the late 1970s, against the likes of Marvin Johnson, Richie Kates and Yaqui Lopez.

    Scully says the plan is to make it a thriller. He believes it is a Fight of the Year contender in the making.

    “I think so because Arthur is going to have to make it exciting,” he explained. “It can’t be a boxing match. You don’t need to be a boxing genius to know that Muhammad Ali had to box Joe Frazier rather than slug it out with him. Ali had to box and get up on his toes. With this fight, we have to minimise this guy keeping his distance and using his angles, so it’s going to be better for us if we get him into a good action fight. That would be the goal.”

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    Scully (right) and Beterbiev. Photo courtesy of Twitter Account/ @IceJohnScully

    Gvozdyk has thrived under International Boxing Hall of Famer Teddy Atlas. They’ve been preparing throughout camp in Philadelphia and Scully is clearly respectful of Atlas, though he is not sure he will be the difference maker on the night.

    “On one hand, he brings a lot of intensity, knowledge of the game, knowledge of styles and he brings a definite philosophy but on the other hand it might not be right for everybody,” Scully went on. “Now I don’t know Gvozdyk, I don’t know his mentality but I know that Teddy is a guy who is not everyone’s cup of tea as a trainer. There are certain guys who couldn’t really deal with his formula, so a lot of it depends on the kind of guy Gvozdyk is and how he responds to that kind of thing.”

    Scully has long been impressed with his man’s professionalism. Beterbiev’s not the type to blow up in weight between fights or to go off at the deep end after a win. Instead, he’s looking ahead to the next big fight and to the next title.

    “Arthur is very consistent,” Scully continued. “He’s the type of guy who prides himself on being professional and he keeps in shape even when there’s no fight coming up. I always tell people – and you only run into a few of these guys – his head trainer Marc could leave him alone for a month and Arthur would be in the same condition, the same weight and everything else. You don’t have to worry about him, following him up or him slipping. That just wouldn’t happen, so it’s easy to train a guy like that.”

    But Friday night sees two high-class fighters meeting arguably at their prime. For Scully, there’s no question about that.

    “Oh sure,” he agreed. “As a professional, all things considered, he’s the best guy [Beterbiev has faced] but Arthur is the best guy he’s faced also. Arthur stopped him in the amateurs but Arthur is realistic. It could mean something if the fighter lets it. If Gvozdyk lets that bother him and play a role then it will play a role, but in the grand scheme of things I don’t think it’s going to matter.”

    Gvozdyk admitted he was a little in awe of Beterbiev when they met in the unpaid ranks. He was inexperienced while the IBF titleholder was a competitive international. The WBC titleholder contends it will be different this time. Regardless, Scully is expecting Gvozdyk and his IBF counterpart to battle over the middle of the ring, certainly at some point.

    “I think so because I think Gvozdyk’s going to have to fight back,” Scully concluded. “If you saw when Gvozdyk won the title, he was moving around and boxing and being elusive but he can’t win that way. You can’t win by running away and just boxing Arthur. You’re going to have to get his respect at some point but to do that you’re going to have to be close. On a fight on this level, Gvozdyk’s not going to just want to win, he’s going to want to be impressive, he’s going to want to please Teddy and he’s going to want to make a fight of it.”
     
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  14. JacK Rauber

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    I don't think Beterbiev has a suspect chin. Yes, he has gone down but it has been from being off-balance when hit. He has never appeared on shaky legs or unstable after going down. In fact, he has bounced up and KO'd his opponents every time. Gvozdyk, on the other hand, was thumped against Stevenson several times. One time it should have been declared a KD because only the ropes kept him up but the ref ruled fight on.
     
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  15. JacK Rauber

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    Good analysis. I agree with everything you say except the outcome. I give a slight edge to Beterbiev. He is an unusually powerful man. He hits hard. He punishes people. He breaks them down. Can Gvozdyk handle the power that will be inflicted on him? That is the question. Beterbiev seems like the more formidable force to me but Gvozdyk, to his credit, hung in there with Stevenson and broke him down late. Very close fight.
     
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