Artur Beterbiev had an “atypical finding" for test and HGH

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    It’s always hilarious seeing the usual US gronks trying to point the finger at any successful fighter from another country when the US is riddled with drug cheats.
     
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  2. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not to mention all the "Ivan Drago" jokes or constantly mentioning the Russian Olympic team as though it wasn't just a political game between two governments at odds with another (like the recent banning of Russian athletes due to Ukrainian conflict)
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No you just stop. Even if it was it was in the US too.
     
  4. zelky

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    From what I understand, VADA use carbon isotope ratio testing to determine if testosterone is endogenous or exogenous?

    So they should be able to tell if the testosterone that they have found to be at an unnaturally higher level is produced by his body naturally (endogenous), or is exogenous testosterone that has been injected/taken orally.
     
  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's comical isn't it? Throwing stones from a mansion-sized glass house. To be fair it's not just the US gronks it's the North American worshiping gronks which includes many of my own countrymen too. Most of their North American boxing idols are proven or known juicers. Hence why you can't take them or a single word they ever say seriously.

    I saw one of these gronks the other day (a Terry fan) complaining that Inoue needs to fight in the US because fighting in Japan is a big advantage for him, said without a hint of irony I might add. Someone had to inform him that Inoue has fought in the US x 3 and in the UK x 1 and Terry has only fought outside the US once :facepalm:
     
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  6. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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  7. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Russia was not the only country with a state sponsored doping program.

    China today probably has a massive doping program, but they own everything so nobody dares go against them. America had state and private doping programs in the 80's, 90's and 2000's, as in letting drug offenders compete in the olympics despite ped use (see Dr Exum Wade against the Olympic committee). Cuba, East Germany and the Soviet Union come to mind as well. What makes you think no other country can have a doping program?
    Private doping programs would be something like the Balco scandal. Cycling and Athletics, baseball also had their private doping programs, as in not state sponsored but entity supported. When did the NFL start testing for HGH? How about Jamaican mass doping in track and field? Iranian doping in weightlifting and wrestling? Doping in boxing in the 90's and 80's?
     
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  8. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    What helmet said that serge, expose them.
     
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  9. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    I know right, every single American I know is on peds. Even the American math Olympiad team is on steroids. Even your average American golf player is on steroids. Heck I'm on steroids and I'm American as apple pie.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It wasn't on here but I see that kind of thing all the time
     
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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Yep and you have IV Floyd telling reporters Inoue needs to come to the US for proper testing meanwhile they have a guy like Devin Haney who can somehow put on 11KG’s over night lol noting sus about that.
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Another fine example. As said, I see it all the time. It's such a common theme that Serge had to start going on round the clock gronk duty :facepalm:
     
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  13. Diagoras

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    When Floyd was being hailed for years as P4P # 1 or Ward was, they never brought up their home advantage which is far more true. Inoue never needed judges or refs to help him out where as Floyd & Ward definitely did like against Castillo, Kovalev etc. Inoue's fights hardly ever go to the judges & in Japan the sanctioning bodies try to ensure both judges & refs are neutral. So what big advantage?

    If anything judges & refs seem to only hinder him like the ref who blocked him from KO'ing Donaire in their first fight or the judge who scored it 114-113 (meaning the knockdown is what prevented him from making that fight a draw lol)

    No American fighter has the mainstream presence in US that Inoue has in Japan

    Was Terry's mug all over NYC metro & Times square? Inoue's was in equivalent scenario

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    Inoue is 1 of a handful of fighters that can sell out a stadium on his own star power alongside Canelo, Fury, & AJ. So obviously most of his fights are gonna be in Japan & his opponents seem happy enough to go there to make money that is unheard of for their weight classes

    This lack of American worship (which as you point out exists outside US as well) is 1 more reason why I like Opetaia, unlike Tszyu who seems eager to go to Vegas Jai said his dream is to have fights at Gosford stadium to showcase Australian boxing to the world & he doesn't want to do what everyone has already done

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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes, the huge difference is when American fighters fight at home against foreigners in world title fights the ref and all three judges will very often all be from the US but that never happens anywhere else in the world for world title fights between a home and away fighter. Hence why when Fulton went to Japan and Haney went to Australia twice all the officials came from neutral countries

    But on the rare occasions a top US fighter does travel they want to pin a medal of honor on them for doing so and insist that their opponents doesn't have home judges because apparently all of a sudden that's unfair :facepalm:

    I love our American cousins but this is one thing which (to quote Opetaia) ''really grinds my gears, eh?'' :lol:

    Exactly. Inoue is a huge star in Japan, much bigger than any of his US peers are in the US

    Yes, I remember that interview. I'm glad he wants to do that and I totally agree with him
     
  15. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Hearn has a tell when he is lying - his mouth is moving.
     
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