Artur Beterbiev would have tossed Andre Ward all over the ring

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  1. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    Dude, Ward was supposed to lose to Froch and Kessler and Chad and GGG and Kovalev was the final boss. ****ing Godzilla. He manhandled them all. Bietberev is just the latest "ooohh he's scary". When would it have been enough?
     
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  2. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    He lost the first Kov fight clearly and needed to cheat to win the second d. Against a faded alcoholic on the way out. Is that your definition of man handled? After fighting Kov, he scurried into retirement. He was so tough, all of his biggest fights before the Kov fights were in his backyard of Oakland. He was a solid,fighter who fought dirty to win. Nothing special. I’m disappointed he ran away from AB because he’s an arrogant **** who could use a good beating. Why do you think his fights had such low ratings? People aren’t stupid and he never got the fan base you would expect from an undefeated American fighter. Unless you count his Oakland following.
     
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  3. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whatever the ticket price i would have paid DOUBLE to see it lol
     
  4. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PFff Wards making you look silly spouting this nonsense////
     
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  5. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    Yes yes....and Kovalev was going to knock him out cold the first time he landed clean.

    Beterbiev's a joke. Doubtful he will even fight again before 2022
     
  6. Serge

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    And don't forget that Dre wouldn't go anywhere near Kovalev until he had three fights and a whole year to settle into the higher weight first even though Kovalev only weighed 181 for Sillakh which is less or roughly the same as Dre was coming in against the likes of E-Rod down at 168 lol. And he knew he would have the safety net of home advantage and a home ref and at least 2 home judges in place to help facilitate his path to victory in place too and spies in Kov's camp to relay info to him lol

    A whole year. Think of all the fighters who take on one of the top guy's in the division above them in their first fight at the weight.
     
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  7. Salty Dog

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    I agree he lost the first Kovalev fight. It took him too long to figure Kovalev out. That said, after the 6th or 7th round it was pretty much over. It was never going to go Sergey's way again. Ward didn't cheat the second fight. The great majority of the blows were on the beltline and 1 legit foul rarely decides a contest. Kovalev just got his ass kicked. He got manhandled. He was mentally broken in that fight and has yet to recover. The Krusher's lifestyle was never a thing when this forum was running around with his nuts in their mouth talking about Ward was running from him and would never get in the ring with him. Kovalev was the monster who had dealt death in the ring and an ATG in the making at the time. Until he fought Ward. So that **** about him avoiding other light heavies is bull****. **** all that.

    As to his popuIarity, I don't measure a fighter by how much he is liked or how much money he makes. I think that **** is kinda' femmy. That said, if I were to venture a guess, I think nobody likes Ward because he's an unabashed Xtian (which goes against the propaganda of recent decades), kind of a goody-two-shoes and kinda' smug about the whole thing to top it off. I find it annoying when he's in the broadcast booth, but like I said, I don't care about that in measuring his boxing. I like how he fought and as a bonus, it amuses me how my fellow fans from the east side of the Atlantic (many of whom I hold in high regard) can't seem to choke him down.

    We must agree to disagree on this one.
     
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  8. T.S.

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    Not in Oakland or Las Vegas. Ward wins by UD even if he gets KO'd.
     
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  9. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I agree with you on so many boxing related opinions. It would be boring if we agreed on everything! Classy response, I understand and respect your opinions, even when they don’t align with mine. We may never agree on Ward but I hope I handle disagreements half as well as you handled this one.
    Thanks!
     
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  10. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No surprise here...
    • Artur is a Light Heavyweight
    • Ward is a Super Middleweight
    You can also start these threads...
    • Edgar Berlaga would have tossed (Junior Middleweight) all over the ring
    • Ryan Garcia would have tossed (Super Featherweight) all over the ring
     
  11. Boomstick

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    Would have been a tough fight. I think Ward would have figured Beterbiev out after a handful of rounds. Sort of like the Kovalev I fight, but a bit earlier. Kovalev’s jab gave Ward fits in that fight, but I don’t anticipate Beterbiev’s having the same effect.

    Betrrbiev’s heavyhands are always dangerous, but I think Ward would present a challenge that Beterbiev hasn’t seen, on a level he hasn’t seen, in a crafty, adaptable fighter, with defensive skills and great timing. I think he’d win a close but clear decision.
     
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  12. bandeedo

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    beterbiev has no defense, he blocks punches with his face. that style doesnt work too well against top level fighters...even smaller ones.
     
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  13. Serge

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    :lol: Beterbiev would punch holes in him and either KO him or blugeon him into a quivering heap.

    Artur is one of the top 3 biggest punchers in the sport and hits even harder than a prime Kovalev did and he also has a better chin than Kovalev, can generate freakish power from very short distances, is physically stronger than Dre, and he isn't a drunk with a six round gas tank. No. Artur trains like a spartan all year round and has a great engine on him which enables to maintain a relentless pace throwing bombs from round 1 to 12 without getting tired, and contrary to what the casuals will have you believe he can box and is much more skilled than given credit for which even Dre has pointed out before.

    When Dre lunges in and tries to tie him up he'll be getting clumped round the head with seriously heavy brain scrambling six inch shots and he ain't winning the battle of physical strength on the inside with Artur. He'll also run the risk of getting caught with heavy uppercuts and getting clumped around the back of his head as he's coming in low trying to instigate his octopus clinch and he doesn't possess the power to stop Artur. His only chance is to run for all 12 rounds and hope that his judges bail him out and rob the EE fighter again but even if he did Artur would catch up to him and bludgeon him to defeat in the later rounds when he inevitably starts to gas. The kind of mental and physical pressure of having someone as physically fit, strong, powerful and relentless as Artur on you throwing bombs for all 12 rounds with very little let up is immense.



    “Arthur is very consistent,” Scully continued. “He’s the type of guy who prides himself on being professional and he keeps in shape even when there’s no fight coming up. I always tell people – and you only run into a few of these guys – his head trainer Marc could leave him alone for a month and Arthur would be in the same condition, the same weight and everything else. You don’t have to worry about him, following him up or him slipping. That just wouldn’t happen, so it’s easy to train a guy like that.”


    Here's some quotes from some of Beterbiev's opponents, sparring partners, and members of his team etc regarding his power

    Bob Ajisafe

    'He's very strong, very tough. Hits very hard with a lot of power. I think he's definitely going to be one to watch in the division. I don't think there's many who could last with him.''

    What is it about Beterbiev that makes him so good?

    ''It's his power. I mean sometimes you box with him or out box him but sooner or later he's going to catch you with one of those big shots and he's just got so much power for a light-heavyweight.''

    Blake Caparello

    Beterbiev has sparred recently with Bob Ajisafe and Blake Caparello, who believes Campillo (25-6-1, 12 KO) is in for a brief outing. "I really think it will be a short night for Campillo," Caparello said. "This guy has some incredible brute force. He could even chase and hunt down a strong Sergey Kovalev in the ring''

    “I do believe experiences like this will help me grow not only as a fighter but also my reputation,” said Caparello in closing. “Artur Beterbiev has a good reputation as being a beast and not many sparring partners can go with him''

    Oleksandr Usyk

    Q: Oleksandr, you won most everything as an amateur, including the gold at the 2012 Olympics. Who would you say gave you your hardest fight as an amateur?

    Oleksandr Usyk: “Well, all those fights, they all took place within the last couple of years or so, so it’s hard to say. Maybe, if I was pushed to say, it was Artur Beterbiev of Russia who gave me my roughest fight. He is very aggressive and he does hit very hard.”

    “Kovalev is in his prime and we don’t know how long that will last but there is also Artur Beterbiev who is very strong, for sure he was the hardest puncher that I fought.

    --Gabriel Campillo

    Someone posted this on another forum

    ''I've heard scary stuff about this guy from behind gym doors, including a high HIGH praise and a glowing endorsement from Ovill Mckenzie who has been in his camps, said he will win world title within 10 fights without question''

    Jean Pascal

    Pascal is convinced that despite Beterbiev's short experience as a pro, he will be ready for Tavoris Cloud.

    Pascal: ''Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Cloud out.''

    Artur Beterbiev is renowned for his power, as Pascal confirms.

    Pascal: ''Artur is a brute, I remember the first time we sparred, he hit me so hard my neck hurt for a week. He's a very big puncher, he's very strong physically but he's also very smart.''

    Russ Anber

    I posed this question to Russ Anber, a trainer who helps Marc Ramsay with Beterbiev, and has worked in the corners of Sergio Martinez, Roy Jones Jr., and Jean Pascal. He drew on his 36 years in the boxing biz, and was straightforward with his appraisal of the Russian, a two-time Olympian.

    "Beterbiev is almost too good to be true," Anber told me of the fighter, who resides with his wife and kids in Montreal. "Technically, he's a complete student of the game, old school. He's university educated, understands biomechanics. His style is strength, imposition, but he's complete. He's as strong as a heavyweight, spars heavyweights here, like Oscar Rivas. He's the kind of guy, he comes into the gym, he doesn't turn the music on, he turns it off. He goes to the body, his infighting is good. And he's beaten Sergey Kovalev in the amateurs twice!"

    "This is the most complete boxer I've seen up close," Anber continued. "It's an effin privilege to be with him. His mental approach is that of a spartan. And I mean, he's the sort of guy you'd want your daughter to bring home. It's almost too good to be true."

    Yvon Michel:

    How impressed are you with the rapid progress of Artur Beterbiev?

    Look, he is really impressive in every aspect of what you dream of for a fighter. He has a personality; he is an intelligent person, he’s a family man. He has strength, power, speed, technique and dedication. The only thing that is missing is experience and we’re working on it. It’s a huge step (facing Cloud), we understand that, but we’ve seen him spar, I’ve had reports from his strength and conditioning coach, his trainer Marc Ramsey, who trains a lot of high performance fighter. Everything is telling me that we have an exceptional fighter on our hands

    Beterbiev's strength and condition coach (Andre Kulesza):

    One last word that Andre Kulesza. This guy was coach with the greatest athletes in the world. Including Lucian Bute, a beast of training.

    "Phfff, it does not compare. That's what I've seen stronger in my life. It is measured scientifically. The recovery time, strength, relaxation. Artur Beterbiev is in a class by itself. "

    Mark Ramsey

    “No matter if the fight is short or long, Artur will fight like hell in every round, promised Marc Ramsay, Beterbiev’s trainer. I know that a lot of boxing fans in Canada are worried to see Beterbiev, who has only five pro bouts, face one of the biggest name on the international scene. But not me. I am working every day in the gym with Artur. I know how much this fighter is great and mature. Andre Kulesha, our physical education’s specialist, told me he never worked with a fighter stronger and resistant like Artur. Cloud has no idea how much Berterbiev is good, strong physically and resistant. Trust me, Artur has the stamina to attack from the first to the 12 rounds if it's necessary.''

    Another fighter who has shared a ring with both Artur and Kovalev

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  14. Braindamage

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    Interesting. It wasn't until the Kessler fight that Ward was labeled a dirty fighter. It was ramped up exponentially during the Kovalev fights. So other than the 2 fights I mentioned, what other fights did Ward intentionally use dirty tactics to win?
     
  15. Brixton Bomber

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    Ward should have got a DQ for his tactics that night.
     
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