A couple of pounds of extra fatty tissue is really the difference between a legitimate all time great Marvin Hagler and GGG being able to fight larger men? That's absurd if that's really the reasoning. I've seen GGG picked to beat prime Kovalev, no one bats an eye. Hagler beating a 35 year of light heavy with 15 fights ? No way?
Blanket statements for you are all statements including EE boxers. Let's left EE boxers ( mandatory all they are bad bums for you ). Dorticos will beat all health from prime Floyd Jr. and Canelo just because he hits far harder, he is larger and with better reach. He will debilitate them and punch both of them out of the ring. Cards will not help there. The same with both these dudes will do Okolie and Lerena.
Im not pissed it's a dumb thread. I'm not the only person who feels that way. You probably think it's great.
Well Pimp if we had been on here back when PAC was say 126 and someone stated what if he fought ODLH we would have all laughed too. I still say Marvin would take a life threatening beat down before quitting even if he was facing WILDER. Marvin was a mans man and a NO LIMIT SOLIDER
Beterbiev is bursting out of his skin at 175 and he's rock solid at the weight. Hagler was a relatively small middleweight who weighed in at 160 on the same day that he fought. That means he'd likely be 154lb today. We're essentially pitching a Jr MW against a guy that could make cruiser. I'm going to say it outright: Hagler is better P4P but I can't see him beating Beterbiev at 175lb. The problem is that they have similar styles too. Hagler was a boxer puncher that liked to mix it up, and so is Beterbiev. If Hagler was some shifty, fast-as-lightning guy who relied on speed and footwork and defence to befuddle his opponents he'd have a better chance. Unfortunately he's mixing it up with a guy that has the same fire and brimstone plan as he does and is hugely bigger. There's a point where size overcomes skill and this is it. Beterbiev is no chump, he'd find a way to make his advantages count.
CW Level Usyk who campaigned up at HW and SHW in the amateurs/WSB and who swapped leather with elite level SHW behemoths who are known for their brutal power up at that weight speaks highly of him and his power. Even though he wasn't a natural HW and was giving a lot of weight away to his opponents at that weight he still stopped a number of his opponents in the ams at that weight with big gloves and headgear on. Bob Ajisafe 'He's very strong, very tough. Hits very hard with a lot of power. I think he's definitely going to be one to watch in the division. I don't think there's many who could last with him.'' What is it about Beterbiev that makes him so good? ''It's his power. I mean sometimes you box with him or out box him but sooner or later he's going to catch you with one of those big shots and he's just got so much power for a light-heavyweight.'' Blake Caparello Beterbiev has sparred recently with Bob Ajisafe and Blake Caparello, who believes Campillo (25-6-1, 12 KO) is in for a brief outing. "I really think it will be a short night for Campillo," Caparello said. "This guy has some incredible brute force. He could even chase and hunt down a strong Sergey Kovalev in the ring'' “I do believe experiences like this will help me grow not only as a fighter but also my reputation,” said Caparello in closing. “Artur Beterbiev has a good reputation as being a beast and not many sparring partners can go with him'' Oleksandr Usyk Q: Oleksandr, you won most everything as an amateur, including the gold at the 2012 Olympics. Who would you say gave you your hardest fight as an amateur? Oleksandr Usyk: “Well, all those fights, they all took place within the last couple of years or so, so it’s hard to say. Maybe, if I was pushed to say, it was Artur Beterbiev of Russia who gave me my roughest fight. He is very aggressive and he does hit very hard.” “Kovalev is in his prime and we don’t know how long that will last but there is also Artur Beterbiev who is very strong, for sure he was the hardest puncher that I fought. --Gabriel Campillo Someone posted this on another forum ''I've heard scary stuff about this guy from behind gym doors, including a high HIGH praise and a glowing endorsement from Ovill Mckenzie who has been in his camps, said he will win world title within 10 fights without question'' Jean Pascal Pascal is convinced that despite Beterbiev's short experience as a pro, he will be ready for Tavoris Cloud. Pascal: ''Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he knocks Cloud out.'' Artur Beterbiev is renowned for his power, as Pascal confirms. Pascal: ''Artur is a brute, I remember the first time we sparred, he hit me so hard my neck hurt for a week. He's a very big puncher, he's very strong physically but he's also very smart.'' Russ Anber I posed this question to Russ Anber, a trainer who helps Marc Ramsay with Beterbiev, and has worked in the corners of Sergio Martinez, Roy Jones Jr., and Jean Pascal. He drew on his 36 years in the boxing biz, and was straightforward with his appraisal of the Russian, a two-time Olympian. "Beterbiev is almost too good to be true," Anber told me of the fighter, who resides with his wife and kids in Montreal. "Technically, he's a complete student of the game, old school. He's university educated, understands biomechanics. His style is strength, imposition, but he's complete. He's as strong as a heavyweight, spars heavyweights here, like Oscar Rivas. He's the kind of guy, he comes into the gym, he doesn't turn the music on, he turns it off. He goes to the body, his infighting is good. And he's beaten Sergey Kovalev in the amateurs twice!" "This is the most complete boxer I've seen up close," Anber continued. "It's an effin privilege to be with him. His mental approach is that of a spartan. And I mean, he's the sort of guy you'd want your daughter to bring home. It's almost too good to be true." Yvon Michel: How impressed are you with the rapid progress of Artur Beterbiev? Look, he is really impressive in every aspect of what you dream of for a fighter. He has a personality; he is an intelligent person, he’s a family man. He has strength, power, speed, technique and dedication. The only thing that is missing is experience and we’re working on it. It’s a huge step (facing Cloud), we understand that, but we’ve seen him spar, I’ve had reports from his strength and conditioning coach, his trainer Marc Ramsey, who trains a lot of high performance fighter. Everything is telling me that we have an exceptional fighter on our hands Beterbiev's strength and condition coach (Andre Kulesza): One last word that Andre Kulesza. This guy was coach with the greatest athletes in the world. Including Lucian Bute, a beast of training. "Phfff, it does not compare. That's what I've seen stronger in my life. It is measured scientifically. The recovery time, strength, relaxation. Artur Beterbiev is in a class by itself. " Mark Ramsey “No matter if the fight is short or long, Artur will fight like hell in every round, promised Marc Ramsay, Beterbiev’s trainer. I know that a lot of boxing fans in Canada are worried to see Beterbiev, who has only five pro bouts, face one of the biggest name on the international scene. But not me. I am working every day in the gym with Artur. I know how much this fighter is great and mature. Andre Kulesha, our physical education’s specialist, told me he never worked with a fighter stronger and resistant like Artur. Cloud has no idea how much Berterbiev is good, strong physically and resistant. Trust me, Artur has the stamina to attack from the first to the 12 rounds if it's necessary.'' Another fighter who has shared a ring with both Artur and Kovalev Timestamped This content is protected
Hagler was a better overall fighter but the size difference would be too much. I hate these types of polls. They hand weight classes for a reason. Why is it so hard to understand? Hagler was a great middleweight. Beterbiev is 15 pounds heavier on paper but I suspect he fights more than 20 pounds heavier than Hagler. He knocks out large guys at his own weight and takes punches from bigger stronger men. Hagler would not make it to the final round and it would prove nothing. Even with today’s enhanced nutrition and training, no version of a true MW fighter beats a guy like AB.
