Arum always preferred Pacquiao-Clottey over Pacquiao-Floyd - but I can live with it

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  1. TK0

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    The weekend after Mexican Independence Day is usually a fight weekend. That's a logicl guess for September. It is probably the big date in the Fall (when they say they are willing to revisit neogtiations) and September was mentioned before for this fight, prior to the date being dragged forward to March.
     
  2. Rooney

    Rooney Boxing Junkie banned

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    margarito would kill him
     
  3. ecdrm15

    ecdrm15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct.

    He means from an action crowd pleasing standpoint.:bbb
     
  4. zarman

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    the reason this fight didn't happen is because pac didn't want to take the blood test, no not even 15 days before. anyway im happy for clottey, i hope he headbutts his way to a win. all i know is fighters are going to want to join top rank if it means they get big fights and at the moment thats what they are getting. if GBP had pac and clottey do you think they would have let them get together?
     
  5. Walker Smith

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    BigBone, I'm breaking my vow of silence to congratulate you on an outstanding post!

    Finally, someone with some sense to see through all the BS....
     
  6. oak3

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    I completly agree. The only one to win from this fight not happening could be Arum. Everyone else would be a winner, so its logical they wanted fight to happen. Arum wont split money when 2 of his fighters fight and there is also Margarito on the undercard so he could be fed to PAC later making it another big TopRank fighters fight. In those 2 fights he would probably make more money than FMJ vs PAC (im sure he calculates, and knows numbers better than us). IMHO PAC wins both of those matchups so after floyd fights Mattew Hatton and lets say Koki Kameda the MegaFight still could be made:) Also there might be some revenge to floyd factor... Thats only explanation i can think of why fight didn't go through...
    On the other hand floyd agreeing to everything, but being ridiciously stubborn on drug testing case is really suspicious... Its kinda looks like he didnt want to fight and used this excuse to pull out of the fight, and at the same time make PAC look bad... Kinda Mayweather style, but i dont know why would he do that.
     
  7. BigBone

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    There are two big PPV selling dates per year, both related to Mexican holidays since the Latino market is the main base for PPV buys. The weekend of Cinco the Mayo was unavailable for Floyd-Pac since Pac participates in elections back home. The other big date is the Saturday closest to the Mexican Independence Day on September 16, which is on the 18th this year. The two dates hold the PPV buy records, so as May was unavailble, it's quite logical to hold Floyd-Pac on September 18, which I believe will happen. If not Pac-Floyd, I can also imagine Pac-Margarito happening on that date since it's a FACT that Arum LOVES keeping everything under the Top Rank banner - and in his pocket - even if it sells less. There was absolutely no reason to turn down the 14-day test window for the March fight - no boxing reason that is, but Dallas already guaranteed Arum millions for staging a fight there, Clottey is part of Top Rank and a lower risk anyway, so no surprise we're getting this fight. Pacquiao-Clottey is too logical, too Top Rank and especially too Bob Arum to believe he just came up with the idea. He pulled the same **** with Pavlik and Espino just a few weeks ago.



    Further evidence for my theory that Arum already knew back in December he'll make Pac-Clottey:

    Joshua was supposed to debut on Top Rank's new boxing series tonight on Fox Espanol, but pulled out on December 20-22, just a few days after Dallas was ruled out for Floyd-PacMan (but not by Arum). Clottey said he turned down the January fight because he considers himself an HBO fighter - meaning he'll only fight on the network.

    Now here's the million dollar question:

    Joshua Clottey, who's NOT an HBO fighter (not under contract) and was absolutely left out in the cold by both Arum & HBO ever since he lost a debated decision to Cotto - so how the hell Joshua Clottey knew in December he should pull out of the January fight because he's going to get a fight on HBO? :think
     
  9. littlefloyd

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    you make a lot of sense man, and you could probably be right. Great thread it kept me thinking, and props to you for putting in the pieces together. Very possible arum is pulling in all the strings, and he's working together with koncz, jacal and other members inside pac's team. Can't blame pac for being a puppet though he's not exactly a smart person, didn't even finish 5th grade i think.

    Floyd was doing him a favor telling pac before to be his own boss but pac is not that kind of person especially with all the leeches around him being nice and friendly towards him
     
  10. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah. Funny thing that Jones and Calzaghe made their fight via a single text message like "Everything 50-50 on HBO PPV, okay?" "Yeah", and it was on. Pac has Pacquiao Promotions, Mayweather has Mayweather Promotions and they let others negotiate for them, which worked out pretty awful.
     
  11. bald_head_slick

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    Half? You are being generous. This is more like a quarter. It doesn't make any sense. Unless...
     
  12. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How can you stand behind this? FMJ did go 50/50 on everything. Team Pac killed this.
     
  13. yyyy1313

    yyyy1313 Active Member Full Member

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    Don't know OP makes some good points, hard to argue this shiat.
     
  14. Toopretty

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    Yeah I forgot he pulled out of a fight recently. I dont even remember him giving a reason whether it be injury or nothing else. It was the ****ing plan all along. Arum was pissed off that Floyd did not want to fight in Dallas and if you notice .... lol after that thats when Pac and everybody had issue with the steroid testing etc. Even though the ****ing testing was in the initial contract for the fight. But in the same token it makes Pac look innocent of the roids b/c Arum is the one that killed it more so than him. Just used him as a scapegoat. You have to think like a little devious mother****er to figure this **** out.
     
  15. Cocteau

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    I do think Arum wants Floyd/PAc fight ALOT better than Clottey. As most say, percentage-wise it's bigger, but he pockets lesser to Clottey/Pac than Floyd/Pac.

    My conspiracy theory here is, he designed a paradigm already the moment he saw that dealing with Floyd in the mix is "hopeless".

    That's why he is trying to revive Margo's career and on the side working out Cotto/Foreman fight. So that the next few fights is an option with these fighters in his stable: Pac, Cotto, Clottey, Margo, Foreman, then threw in few outsider fighters namely Mosley, Bradley and Berto. That way, he wouldn't need a Floyd to create profitable fights.