ARUM: Pacquiao nemisis Marquez is misinformed or financially illiterate

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  1. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is plenty use comparing, marquez and pac have history, even at the lower weights against each other they were setting ppv records. A third fight would do much better than a current mosley fight. This is a fact. Marquez wasn't unreasonable asking for the money considering a cheat like margo left that ring with at least 5mil including ppv bonus. Marquez should be able to do the same
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac can make millions of dollars in every fight whether he beats Floyd or not. For Pac, win or lose his purse now is the end result. He is already a mega star and this is the mega fight. For JMM, if he beats Pac he will quickly recuperate the amount of money lost on accepting a smaller purse.

    Completely different situations. You talk about double standards but your problem is your inability to compare things in their proper context.

    JMM takes 4M instead of 8M against Pac and beats him --> he probably recuperates that 4M lost in his next fight.

    Pac takes 25M instead of 40M against Floyd and beats him --> he will probably never recuperate that money lost or at the very least it will take him a long long time.

    Also, Pac doesn't need Floyd, while Marquez obviously feels that he needs Pac since he is obsessed with him. Pac has clearly stated that if the Floyd fight doesn't happen, he is already satisfied and has accomplished more than Floyd anyways.
     
  3. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course it double standards.

    You original said if marquez is so confident about beating pac why can't he take less. Yet when pac was confident of beating floyd, pac would not take less when it came to arguing over purse split. So this is a double standard you are presenting.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    At the end of the day, Arum didn't even negotiate with a counter-offer, but instead went to the media and ranted about the unacceptable demands of his camp when they were clearly close enough to a rational bargain to alter/go down.
     
  5. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, Margo got 3 million + PPV bonus of a reported 3 million.

    Marquez wants 5 million and up to 5 million PPV bonus.

    Marquez got for 3.2 million + 20K PPV bonus vs Mayweather. (he is basically asking for triple that)

    Plus we know Pac can sell atleast 750K on his own by the numbers the Clottey fight did.

    I'm sorry, Marquez was unreasonable.
     
  6. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    wrong. The entire quote is

    "Marquez is he's as confident as he thinks should fight Pacquiao for a lower purse knowing fully well that if he beats him he will make mega millions in his next fights."

    So you just took half my quote, and said it was a double standard.

    This is what I'm talking about when I say you are incapable of comparing things in their proper context.
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Can JMM really afford to get paid so little at 38 in a high-risk fight for the sake of the payout in later fights? I can't imagine any big names that would easily recuperate the millions at 140 or 135 in a fight or two just because he's number 1 p4p.
     
  8. PH|LLA

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    honestly, I don't think he can. If he could he would have done it by now. Which is why he wants to cash out now against Pac. All that bull**** about how Pac is scared to fight him is just promotion.

    However, put yourself in Pac's shoes. This guy is looking for a big payday, dissing you left and right just to try to get it.

    **** him.
     
  9. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can he afford to price himself out of a fight where he will make more money than he possibly could in 3 or 4 more fights? Obviously he thinks he can.
     
  10. jharax

    jharax Active Member Full Member

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    marquez is a moneywhore :D
     
  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    He hasn't dissed him not even once; no personal insults, no denial of his greatness. He's made a point to say that. Saying Pac's scared, well that isn't true, we all know that, but he just took a **** fight against a washed up fighter instead of the man who gave him two epic and close fights. He's wanted the third fight for a while now and Arum wants to keep things in house with his new stablemate. Put yourself in Marquez's shoes- you felt you had been ducked for a good part of your physical prime, felt that you beat the p4p number 1 twice, and can't afford to be paid such a small amount in comparison to the opponent. He respectfully called out Pac for his avoidance when it could be much more money than Mosley, and he says "I don't think fans would want to see that fight." It might have started off as an unfair deal, but that's pretty irrelevant to the fact that Pacquiao or Arum could have at least entered negotiations. It's clear that Arum wants the money and Pacquiao doesn't play a strong enough role in matchmaking.
     
  12. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Why would I believe cry baby JMM over Arum? Neither are reliable. Seems like JMM wants such a payday that will make him forget about the brutal KO loss he'll receive, and it seems that what Arum is offering is not enough. Anything else is not good for JMM cause he seems to know he will lose. But he's such a warrior he's taking on Morales, lol. The most shot fighter fighting right now. He won't fight anyone that can beat him unless it's a huge amount of money, which is why he fought Floyd. Anyone else is too risky, better to fight guys tailor made for him like Kats, Diaz x2 and shot to pieces Morales.
     
  13. FORMIDABLE

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    The thing is Arum would easily pay him what he got against Floyd, but it's not good enough for his fans. Asking for 3 times as much as what he got against Floyd ensuring he never gets the fight makes more sense.
     
  14. 1punch1nder

    1punch1nder **Bam Bam** Full Member

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    wrong. the main reason why the fight didnt happen is mayweather jr and sr are not willing to fight pacquaio. stop twisting the truth.
     
  15. Undisputed

    Undisputed Cant G no other way Full Member

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    Oh is that why he called him out in 08 for that big payday??? i guess he was tying to cash out back in 08 so he can retire right??????Was marquez asking for 10million for the trilogy back in 08???damn marquez, a money ***** you sure are.........Homie you yourself dont believe that bull****.These bull**** excuses is why this fight should of been made along ****en time ago.At this rate pac wont fight marquez till marquez starts needing a cane to walk.Excuses excuses just like the "pacquiao was dehydrated in the second bout with marquez" excuse or the im afraid of needles excuse, or the i was wearing the wrong gloves against morales excuse which then turned into i was blood tested so it made me weak against morales excuse.How i hope mayweather makes the fight with pac happen so he can hand him his ass on a silver platter.