Arum says he don`t believe in Crawford no more

You weaken your case with hyperbole. That was the ghost of Kovalev and only the most sycophantic of fanbois on both sides (hilariously for different reasons) claimed that the broken shell of The Krusher had much of a chance. Same with Smith. Saunders had a small following of Canelo's more vehement detractors and other special interest groups that professed confidence in Saunders' chances. Jacobs was a good win (as I believe I said somewhere in this thread) though I don't remember it being a "domination".

We do not disagree re: Bud. I think he's a case of wasted potential and in my original reply to this thread stated that he had not done enough to be called great.

Finally and in response to the both of you; Since I started following Canelo the only guys that ever had a good chance to beat him were GGG and Floyd. 2nd tier risks were Lara and Jacobs. He beat the second tier (some people still argue he got a gift in the Lara fight. I do not.).

The first tier (and only fight he was the solid underdog) he lost to Floyd. He lost nearly every round. He was never really in the fight.

By the time he fought the other first tier risk GGG the first time (again excepting claims of the more rabid factions of each's supporters) it was or very close to an even fight for him or better going in. He lost that fight. Yes he ended up with a draw but it's about equal to Bradley's win over Pacquiao in terms of being disregarded. He lost that fight. The second fight was still risky and he earned a MD which many dispute. I thought it should have been a draw.

Bud has been a disappointment as has Canelo, though Canelo less so. Those are my views. You may have the last word.

 

Arum needs to look In the Mirror

 

Accusing me of hyperbole with a name like Salty Dog, the irony of that is pretty thick. I didn't say anything along the lines of Kovalev being what he was pre-Ward when he fought Canelo. I said if you would have said he would end up knocking Krusher Kovalev out back in 2016 when he was still fighting at 154 before he moved up to fight GGG no one would have thought that was possible.

Callum Smith had a close fight with Ryder but in no way could that be compared to what happened to Krusher. So there you go trying to dumb everything down and equate Kovalev to Smith. For years we've been hearing about how Saunders would school Canelo and would be all wrong for Canelo. Then it happens in front of 73,000+ and Canelo makes him retire on his stool and sends him to the hospital. You give him no credit for that and pretend like it was meaningless. Jacobs was a good win. Wouldn't call it a domination, see I don't exaggerate I tell it like it is. Canelo beat Jacobs with ease but Jacobs is too good to be dominated. He was schooled though.

You musta had salt in your eyes while you watched that because you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Don't worry, I'll fill in the blanks for you. Canelo fought Floyd on very even terms for the first 6 rounds, feinting him out of his mind in the first 3 rounds, landing a good number of power punches on Floyd and landed more body shots while Floyd worked behind the jab staying in the pocket and out-jabbed him since Floyd was very cautious of Canelo's power.

After a very even first 6 rounds, Floyd made some big adjustments in Round 7 and had his best round. From there it was a cat and mouse affair with Floyd winning rounds through the use of the jab while Canelo was hanging tight, keeping it close, landing his body shots and getting in the occasional clean power punch while Floyd did his best to avoid shots with upper body movement and dipping down below the waist. Then in the 10th round Canelo taught Floyd how to fight off the ropes, Floyd couldn't land anything with Canelo on the ropes and it was making Floyd look bad so he backed away and tried going back to the ropes himself and proceeeded to get hit with a 12 punch combo. Floyd rebounded in the 11th with a nice comeback round and the 12th Floyd was booed for stalling in a low output round.

You claim Canelo lost nearly every round and Canelo was never in the fight but yet the judges had the scores 116-112, 117-111 and 114-114 which suggests otherwise. Maybe you should watch it again, without salt in your eyes blinding you to what happened.

Salt in your eyes again for that first fight. You said he lost that first fight with GGG twice, only he didn't. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that he lost a fight because you have a foggy blurry memory of what happened.

Allow me to remind you of what happened. Canelo came out of the gates giving GGG all kinds of footwork and put those first 3 rounds in the bank. GGG's two pocket judges gave GGG round 3, but good ol Harold Lederman knew better, he gave that 3rd round to Canelo. Canelo continued the fast start in round 4, but everyone was desperate to find a round to give GGG since he was being shutout at that point, so everyone gave GGG round 4 because he did marginally better, not because he actually won the round. Oh and Canelo went back to the ropes. The fact that GGG couldn't land anything when Canelo was there and was making GGG miss didn't matter, just the fact that Canelo went back to the ropes, that meant GGG had to win the round since according to GGG sycophants going back to the ropes vs GGG is a definite no-no, even tough Canelo completely disproved this myth in round 4.

Round 5 looked a lot like the first 4 rounds with Canelo having his way with the G man over the first 2 minutes, until GGG finally did something and landed a decent shot with Canelo on the ropes. Canelo shook his head but no one could deny GGG landed a decent shot. Canelo outlanded GGG overall this round but GGG finally did something eye catching so there's a reason to give GGG another round.

Then Round 6, a real close round that was. Rounds 7-9 GGG started asserting himself and Canelo started gassing. This meant GGG was taking over, only Canelo was still lighting GGG up with well placed counter bombs. But right when you thought GGG was on his way to a decision, rounds 10-12 happened with Canelo upping his work rate and banking those rounds.

So what we had by the end is a razor close decision with Canelo winning rounds 1-3 & 10-12 despite two judges giving GGG round 3 a round that Canelo clearly won. But one judge gave Canelo round 7 a round that GGG won, arguably GGG's best round.

Oh no looks like we have some controversy. Who's gonna win, oh it's a draw. Wow one judge had Canelo winning 10 rounds, must be a robbery. Hey how about you rewatch it again this time without salt in your eyes so you know what happened.

That's putting it mildly don't you think. Canelo is the P4P #1 for a reason. He didn't become P4P #1 by being a less of a disappointment than Bud, he did it by elevating the sport consistently impressing with win after win (notwithstanding the dubious draw vs GGG that Canelo deserved victory in, but hey GGG was super hyped and got some close rounds no biggie) and by becoming the biggest draw in the sport by a mile recently shattering the American Indoor Attendance record along with undefeated World Title Holder Billy Joe Saunders.

But to you this means very little or isn't that impressive, to anyone who appreciates boxing we are witnessing true greatness and a fighter taking the spor tto new heights. But you're too blind or salty to appreciate this apparently. Your loss, good thing I'm here to point out what you're missing.

You attempting to narrow down his list of fighters into two tiers of two fighters each is quite exclusive. You could easily also put Trout, Lara, Khan, Saunders, Liam Smith, his brother etc into 2nd tier. Take Liam Smith, since being stopped by Canelo he has gone on to have a successful career, and no one since Canelo has even come close to stopping him like Canelo did. Smith arguably was just robbed of beating an undefeated Russian fighter in Russia. Many people thought Smith deserved victory, certainly it was a very close decision. His only other loss was to Jamie Munguia. Again only Canelo was good enough to stop him brtually to the body. He beat Liam Williams twice. Don't see how you can exclude Liam Smith from 2nd tier or countless other fighters on his resume. Saunders at one point looked first tier at least back when he decontructed David Lemieux. But sure, he's fell off since then, and maybe isnj't the same fighter at 168 that he was at 160. But he was still undefeated, maybe he's 2nd tier, but you have a very exclusive 2nd tier club when it comes to Canelo opponents. I think you need to be more inclusive and realize that Canelo has fought and defeated a long list of high level opponents and has done so impressively throughout his career.

 

Can you post a video of this 12 punch combo?

 

It's probably been deleted from the internet by Mayweather's promotional team.

 

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Bud should sign with Ringstar Sports.

 

Virgil Ortiz better stay in his lane cause Crawford would tear his ass up.

 

Just for reference, Bob is a Silent, not a Boomer. He’s that damn old.

 

I Don't believe in both Arum and Crawford

 

I saw an interview with Ben Davison recently where he was implying heavily that Crawford is leaving TR soon.

 

Manny dropped Arum when old Bob said he didn't want Manny to fight any more. Manny then dumped Arum and fought Broner, Thurman and soon Spence. Sounds like Manny made a pretty good business decision dumping Arum.

 

Yes he's done good business post Arum.

But under arum he fought the best 147lb.

Cotto, Mayweather, Margaritao and Bradley .
Something that Crawford never did.

 

Exactly what I was thinking

 

Exactly, couldn't of said it better myself. Cus damato always said how Bob Arum was worse than Don King. Let that sink.