Arum says if he cant get Sturm or Abraham for Pavlik he'd turn to Mundine.

So lets assume we're not talking about Mundine here. Lets speak in general terms that we have a good world prospect fighter. The champ retires and makes him the title holder. When would this person become champ to you?? after his 1st defense? after the second? was it just pure bad luck that he wasnt able to challenge for the title and he holds the title and will forever be considered as not the title holder?

 

I understand your thinking, and part of me agrees, but while his hold on the title was shaky, he did hold it for a short time, and that can never be taken away.

Well i might as well go to bed, i think if i wait for some sort of decent argument from Shane, ill be waiting up for months.

Keep the insults coming Shane, its all u got champ. Why dont u take a leaf out of some of the others books. They havent agreed with me so they put reasons why, yet all u do is name call because u havent got the brain capacity to put an argument forward.

Whether im right or wrong doesnt really matter, your lack of ability to argue your view is embarrassing. And for the record i am right, Mundine was a legit World Champ for a short time, its in the record books.:deal

 

All good questions. And i do feel people need to do exactly that when thinking about Mundine. Pretend its someone else, someone u like, does your view change? Perhaps it does, perhaps not.

Good post Hmmm

 

jesus now you're obsessed with me as well, you go dream about Mundine and learn about boxing all you have is the Mundine subject ffs:rofl, typical hugger.

 

ahh, u have nothing again. And your wrong again. Im no nuthugger. I WAS a supporter of Mundine, but he's lost me the last 18 months. He can get me back if he fights and beats Sturm, but if he takes on Green, then i hope Green ko's him. Hardly a nuthugger.

Please Shane, i beg u, give me something. You've got absolutley nothing u poor fool.

U call me an idiot, u call me a ****, u call me a dumbass, and all i ask is for u to give me a decent argument, hardly call that being obsessed. And still, u offer nothing. Its getting embarrassing.:verysad

 

Hmmm, the thing is, Ottke was the original champ. Without him moving up to 'Super' champ status, Mundine would never have had the oppurtunity to fight for the second tier title.
Yes, I agree that in the (WBA) record books he will then become the champ, but at what point did he beat the original belt holder?
Its for instances like these that the term of 'paper champ' was invented. He didn't beat the belt holder. If a belt becomes vacant then a match is arranged between two contenders. The winner of that then becomes the champ, ok, he is not the linear champ but he has done all that could be done in that instance. Its this stupid and greedy peice of rulemaking by the WBA that allows this **** to happen in the first place.
Yes, to me, if a guy who grabs a vacant belt makes a successful defence against a contender then in my eyes at least i would recognise him as the champ. This didn't happen in this case, without me taking the valuable 5 seconds to check boxrec. Its irrelevant if its Mundine or not, I would think this way no matter who the person was. To me, belts are only won in the ring, not courts or otherwise.
In a perfect world Mundine would have ben the #1 contender, a spot he earned. If the champ has retired he would then fight someone in say the top 5 for the vacant championship.
The WBA in my eyes has lost the credibilty that once saw it as one of the big three, its now only living off its past name as a belt of any credibilty.
Yes, it may have been bad luck that Mundine wasn't able to challenge the man who had the title, but because he retired and Mundine was the 'regular' champ, a ridiculous position, doesn't suddenly make him the belt holder, especially without beating anybody.

 

Lovemore N'Dou is a good example of this. He beat Ben Rabah and later due to Hatton vacating his belt, that fight was considered a world title bout which elevated him to IBF Welterweight Champ. There are little qualms on this forum about N'Dou being a legit champ.

 

He won't beat sturm in Germany, he has almost no chance of knocking him out with his loss of power at 160

 

Good point Leon, without the Super champ crap the WBA do, Mundine would not have been the champ when Ottke retired.

 

I agree. I think his only chance of beating Sturm is to get GBP to entice Sturm to fight him in the states as a main support to a big fight. Then he may win a close decision.

 

I doubt Sturm will fight on a GBP promoted cars after the way he was robbed against Oscar... it will happen in Germany if it does happen, and thats a big if when it comes to Mundine fighting someone that isnt over 35 these days.

 

I see where your coming from mate and I don't think we'll agree, but its good to argue without resorting to the usual bull****. Replace WBA with IBF or WBC (not a great example, are any of them) and this would probably not have happened.
But your right, at the end of the day its in the books and you can can technically argue that you're correct, which you are.
And with the N'dou-rabah point, imo its ludicrous that a few weeks after a bout you can turn around and say 'Oh, by the way, that was for a title.'.
yes, maybe Hatton was selfish or whatever, but at the end of the day, when those two fought, Hatton was the belt holder when they fought. That he retired later was just bad luck/timing. Shitty, yes it was, but thats how it is.

 

I think Mundine is crazy to go to Germany. He'll lose, so if he's finally going to step up and lose, why not make it worthwhile and lose to Pavlik in the US? A loss to Pavlik is more respectable than a loss to Sturm.

 

:good

 

Man he proved he doesn't care about respect the way he ran from a kessler rematch, he thought sturm would be the easiest way to a another title but i think he is 2nd guessing himsled about that now.