Arum tells marquez the road to pacquiao is through valero

Your very reason was that he beat all 3 fighters. Now that your point has been proved wrong, your shifting. And youll keep on squirming and shifting until theres nothing left to argue about. Like Jeff said, all your doing is argueing for the sake of argueing. Its getting very tedious

 

of course not. just trying to point out the details of my logic.

head to head plus overall opposition. there are many factors that need to be considered but at the end of the day, we can make a decision. srl and duran is like mab/em to me. they are so close in terms of achievement that i do not think it would be an injustice to have one over the other.

just like mab wins 2-1 over EM but lost twice to junior jones who lost to EM. EM lost to pac twice and one once. mab lost twice. these are the details that I am trying to point out. pac has not lost since 2004. that is a stretch of 5 years.

JMM for me does not have the career defining win against a fellow ATG.

ali, duran, srl had career defining wins and no h2h losses can take that away from them. ali losing to holmes, srl losing to duran, duran losing to hearnes SRL losing to terry norris does not in anyway affect the overall greatness that they have achieved.

 

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Marquez and Valero??????????

 

All pacs greatest wins were against faded fighters, or not wins at all.

You cant say the same for Morales or Barrera.

And if you give JMM the 2 wins over Pac like i do, then he has prime pac, prime diaz, fantastic casa and MAB. and that would leave pac with MAB, and shot morales.

no contest at all. pac would actually come LAST out of the four if he hadnt been gifted those decsions and JMM robbed

 

here is what i said.

"but you have to consider the head to head match-ups. just like in the NBA, even if you both have the same win loss records, but you lost both head to head match-ups against teh other team, you cannot insist that team should be number one since he defeated a lot of other play off contenders.

to have a wholistic view of rankings, we should consider head to head matchups and fights against other HOF and ATG. that is where Pac has an edge because he won against mab, em and jmm. something that the 3 mexican fighters were not able to do. "

me, wrong again? i cited statistics to back up my claim.

you are the one that is wrong radab.

 

Anytime there a thread involving pac or jmm this inevitably happens

 

:rofl

pac haters can't help themselves.

 

HYPOCRITE :nut

 

Enjoyed the discussion guys.

Sleepy time.

Take it easy. :good

 

sorry for hurting you rad. :?

 

Pac For President!!!!! :yep

 

He can post as much as he wants, his avatar is sweet lol

 

sounds about right. catch ye later :good