Arum to JMM: Fight Valero or Guzman while we go for Diaz

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  1. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    If Soto wins against Fana, JMM should take it.

    A difficult fight for sure, but a solid win for him nonetheless.
     
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  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On one side of the coin, JMM-Guzman can eliminate Guzman off Pac's list so its all good for Arum, however should JMM loose the 3rd match will be alot less lucrative so Arum will probably choose not to set up a 3rd fight. I personally want a third fight cos I still believe that one of these days, Pac will KO that tough ******* :)
     
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  3. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you utterly underestimate guzman
     
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  4. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    I am with you on this one.

    At the same time, JMM presents a very hard match-up for him for 12 rounds.
     
    Morrissey, Mar 20, 2008
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  5. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    Arum proposed this to Marquez I think mainly because he doesn't want to just sit and wait for Pacquiao if a third bout is about to happen. He wants Marquez to have a tune up fights like Pacquiao and Morales did on their trilogy.

    Also it's common sense Arum wants Marquez to take one down of the rising stars of 130lbs.

    If he went to Valero, both can get good resumes aftermath, If Marquez wins it proves Valero still needs more experience and not ready yet for big names(not that im underrating him). If Valero wins, meaning he has a chance to take Pacquiao on.

    If he went for Guzman, still both will get good resumes, If Marquez wins the more the chance his rematch with Pacquiao will be hyped and possible. If Guzman wins, he'll get a chance to take on Pacquiao in the future.

    So either way, Marquez needs to win this tune up fights for the rematch to be close as possible before this year ends.

    While of course, on the other hand. Pacquiao will take the more higher risk going up at 135lbs proving himself with a tough fighter and a lightweight champion(D.Diaz).
     
    Nestea, Mar 20, 2008
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  6. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    Right on dude domingo, There is a possibility, if JMM can pick or even agree on Arum's statement. They may be able to catch up before the presscon of Pacquiao-Diaz.

    We all know that Pacquiao-Diaz bout will get delayed because Pacquiao still needs to heal his cut and so is Marquez.

    Also the other guy also point out that Marquez should find a belt holder at 135lbs. And make a unification bout with Pacquiao at lightweight. Though I know its impossible and mostly even JMM nor Pacquiao isn't tested against lightweight fighters. JMM won't take the risk on the higher weight. He can just grab a new belt at superfeatherweight in my opinion.
     
    Nestea, Mar 20, 2008
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  7. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    even if soto wins vs. fana (who?), jmm doesn't gain any legacy or prestige by defeating soto as soto already lost badly to guzman. the guzman fight is really the one for jmm to consider. if not, maybe one of the beltholders @135, either the winner of kats-casa or nate campbell.
     
    Chert, Mar 20, 2008
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  8. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    A fight with Valero is too dangerous and to top it off he's not well known in the US. A loss against him will have the same effect the Chris John loss did. Guzman is known, undefeated, boxer ... there's no worry about a lucky punch getting landed and JMM getting knocked out ... a fight with Guzman will just be a 12 round boxing match.

    But Guzman has to worry about defending his belt overseas against Arthur.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Mar 20, 2008
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  9. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    :lol::lol: Arum says to pick more dangerous fighters then who Pac is facing?
     
    Lance_Uppercut, Mar 20, 2008
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  10. PH|LLA

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    Marquez vs Guzman would be nice
     
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  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Humberto Soto is another legit/credible opponent ... a fight with him will keep JMM in the thoughts of fight fans ...

    Shame on Arum for going for a bull**** title against a guy who hasn't fought anyone.

    A win over David Diaz won't mean anything significant and will probably expose PacMan to a certain degree. Diaz has a great chin and won't go down against the smaller Pacquiao ... i'm pretty sure Diaz will take the fight to the inside ... he's strong ... and won't easily be moved.

    Pacquiao can't fight going backwards ... I can see Diaz pulling off the upset ... and he'll fight the best fight of his career.

    I don't see Pacquiao fighting from the outside and potshotting ... I see him getting backed up and taking some brutal punishment. Coming from jr flyweight and moving all the way up to lightweight is too dangerous, no matterr who he's fighting against.

    Morales came from Bantamweight ... was a skilled fighter and still had trouble against Raheem, a fight who could box, but didn't have the power to knockout a full fledge lightweight ... yet he was knocking Morales around. Then Morales fought against Diaz ... his boxing kept him in the fight with his left jab ... but Pacquiao can't rely on his boxing.

    Just like Morales ... we don't know how the weight gain will effect Pacquiao's body. He's already starting to look sluggish at super featherweight ... PacMan can lose his speed, power, and stamina/endurance.

    Diaz gets strong as the fight goes on (in all of his fights) ... Diaz' only loss was against a boxer (Kendall Holt) who was on his toes, moved, and boxed. Somethink that Pacquiao can't do!!
     
    fitzgeraldz, Mar 20, 2008
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  12. Nestea

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    @chert
    You're right JMM-Soto won't do any good, simply nothing to gain. I don't know why they even bother to name Soto against Marquez.

    @fitz
    Valero is banned at US so they have to fight at other states. Like some poster above, I hope Marquez-Guzman(wish it happens) and Pacquiao-Diaz is on the same card. Marquez needs to win this one so Arum would be willing to make the rematch, Pacquiao wants the rematch, Marquez wants the rematch its only Arum in the way.

    @lance_uppercut
    Pacquiao is facing the more risk, it will be his first fight at lightweight where he isn't proven even with his skills and capabilities. While Marquez may stay at SF where he is more comfortable.
     
    Nestea, Mar 20, 2008
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  13. Boom_Boom

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    I read somewhere that November is the earliest that JMM can fight again with his cut fully healed.

    I would like to see JMM fight Guzman or Nate Campbell next though.
     
    Boom_Boom, Mar 20, 2008
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  14. fitzgeraldz

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    Campbell is too strong for any superfeather ... he will probably knock them out... he's very strong for a lightweight.
     
    fitzgeraldz, Mar 20, 2008
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  15. Nestea

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    I think your underrating Pacquiao here.

    We saw that Pacquiao can now fight backwards and able to defend successfully against counter punches.

    Pacquiao isn't proven at Lightweight though his chance isn't that small, his body is now rejecting him going at 130lbs. We all saw that he weighted around 145lbs at fight night. So compare to him, he ain't small.

    Only Pacquiao needs to do is unleash his wilder side again and use his new defense and right punches. He over discipline his last bout, like he said in one article, they're plan was to try to counter attack a counter puncher.
     
    Nestea, Mar 20, 2008
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