Arum to JMM: Fight Valero or Guzman while we go for Diaz

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  1. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    I don't underrate Valero, I like his skills and punching ability. But, He is yet to be proven against the top 5 contenders of Super Featherweight division.

    @Fitzgeraldz
    You say your neutral? But most I see on your post are all against Pacquiao. Don't worry just admit it, that doesn't matter to me. Hope those extreme Pacfans won't get to you sooner.
    Anyway, As I saw last fight of Marquez-Pacquiao II, I saw Manny able to block most of Marquez punches. Maybe try to watch closely with replays and slow mos as I did.
    Oh yeah If your thinking I'm siding Pacquiao, I had it draw on my score card. My only defense for Pacquiao is his 3rd round KO and Marquez his 8th round control.
    Marquez easily controlled the 8th round because Pacquiao was blinded(you can see him wiping his eyes 3-4 times). Marquez body shot was fantastic, He knew Pacquiao was blinded in that side and punches that you don't see can hurt a lot.
    Nice arguing with you but I don't see any good points out of you. Sorry.
     
  2. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How about move up as well and fight the winner of Katsidis/Casamayor. Becoming the Ring champion at LW is a great feat for legacy.

    But I would like to see him fight Guzman this year.
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I love Pacquioa ... I order his fights on PPV

    I don't think I would pay my hard earned money on a guy who doesn't appeal to me.

    I do have a problem with his fans but thats nothing against Pacquiao ... I point out his flaws ... and I call fights how I see them. I wasn't bitter that he beat Marquez and I wasn't bitter about the decision.

    I do think that he will lose to Diaz and thats that ... if he wins ... I will give him respect.

    I thought he lost but the decision was offical and mine wasn't, so he is the champ at 130. I think his team is setting him up for a nasty fall and I don't like that either. There are plenty of fish to fry at 130 ...

    I thought that Diaz won fare against Morales even though I had Morales winning the fight -- I don't think that Pacquiao is further ahead in his career than Morales was despite beating the man twice. Pacquiao is fast and strong but the constant moving up in weight and all these rematches with the same fighters don't fare well with me.
     
  4. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    I say go for Guzman (although he could lose that fight). Leave the hype-job that is Valero to young up and comer Gamboa
     
  5. Nestea

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    As I would like him to fight whoever wins at Katsidis/Casamayor, he should go for a mid-risk bout which is Guzman or Valero. 130lbs is where JMM is more comfortable at the moment.

    Pacquiao is moving up to the lightweight and for so many times everyone and team Pacquiao is yapping. Pacquiao's body is rejecting him going down at 130lbs that's why they're doing it. Even as high risk it takes, they can't always force a body back who is growing naturally.

    Eventually its a good fight to see JMM-Guzman and Pacquiao-Diaz, and if both came out of top. I don't see why the third bout should be trashed out.

    I have more trouble on his extreme fans also. I also believe Pacquiao will have hard time on lightweight since it his first attempt and his fighting a tougher and champion David Diaz, though I still give him a chance to win. If he does what he do best.
     
  6. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Gamboa has alot to learn and he's being rushed to a title in a division that has its share of talented fighters.

    I think he's strong and fast ... I haven't seen much head and shoulder movement from him ... against the elite he will take some shots.
     
  7. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    If Pacquiao wins then he solidifies his spot as the #2 ranked P4P list.

    I can't criticize a victory and a championship at his 4th weight class -- i'm not worried about him winning -- i'm worried about the after effects. Because you could lose alot even in victory. I'm wondering how his body will hold up.
     
  8. Nestea

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    I have MP on #3 though. JC still holds the key to #2 spot. If JC beats Hopkins more convincingly I say he holds #2 until their next respective bouts. If he looses though Pacquiao could get that spot or just siphon some of his votes.

    I am much more interested if Pacquiao could hold off longer at 135lbs. He will fight much more bigger fighters, heavier punchers, and more intelligent technicals on the future.
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Now I can honestly say that Pacquiao is more accomplished than Calzaghe -- If Calzaghe beats Hopkins maybe he leaps Pacquiao -- but Pacquiao has beaten his 3rd top 10 P4P fighter.

    Calzaghe has beaten zero
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think he'll go with Guzzy for the exact opposite reason. Technically JMM is better than Joan and he has more fire power. Speed are about te same....but Juan may be a tad faster. I think fighting wars with PAC has turned him off figting guys with true power for a while or at least until he can get PAC back in the ring again. Juan has no fears of Joan.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No questions. Every area Juan is better Joan. Joan is just more flashy in spots but overall Juan is more exciting and has more depth to his game.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your assesment makes sense....it really does, but this has been a broken record when talking about PAC. EVERY FIGHTER PAC has faced had advantages over him in the skills department. That factor going in against David Diaz won't be a factor. Size and edurance may play a role b/c this will be a new weight...just like PAC stepping up for the first time at 130 he didn't do great. But he will be able to beat Diaz with out much of a problem. It will be nothing like the EM vs Diaz fight in terms of tatics but it will be exciting.
     
  13. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac counter JMM! He was contering JMM's offense when he (PAC) was picking off his shots. PAC's contering ability amazed me on Saturday b/c that's a new skill set. He did a decent job countering the master of counter punching at 130.

    Between JMM and PAC...JMM took more punishment. They landed at about the same rate so PAC Defense is solid espcially if he was making an accurate counter puncher like Juan miss or picked off his shots.

    You must have lost some money the way you are reaching bro. And PAC knew he won the fight bro....If he was confused it's b/c of the language barrier but again...you're really reaching. David is solid which he proved by doing well with EM, but even that fight I believe Erik won and should be a title holder at 135.
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL...you just blew any chance at anyone actaully taking you seriously by spewing absolute garbage. If PAC doesn't have any skills then EM, MAB, JMM all are tomato cans. LOL .....PAC doesn't have any skills!:lol: He's no Mayweather lets get back to reality.:rofl
     
  15. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny...you sound like you are crying b/c PAC won.....and keeps winning. Like you are praying for his downfall. It's really not that serious...just enjoy the fights that PAC gives all boxing fans.