As Bad as people have bashed Pride!!!

Coleman and Randleman are the obvious ones. Wanderlei as well.
I wouldn't be suprised if Barnett used them too. (he has the history)
And maybe Nog, he has looked very slow recently and not the same person, perhaps he isn't using the extra boost juice due to the US tests. :think

 

I would be suprised if nog had been using them as he was never that quick paced to start with he is just getting older and feeling the effect of the wars.

 

Barnett got busted for steroid use after beating up Couture.

 

:good

 

I know. If he used them in the UFC then whats to say he wouldn't use them in the drug free testing of Pride?

 

Liddell beats wanderlei.
But prime wanderlei defeated Jackson twice.
Also , don't forget that wandy was annihilated again and again...(against Henderson and Crocop) , prior to his fight against Liddell...
so what's your point ? maybe that wandy is shot ? if so , then you're probably right.

Gonzaga beats Crocop..
Ok , but Werdum defeated Gonzaga , not once...but twice now.
What's your point ?...that Gonzaga is somehow supposed to prove ufc's superiority ? so let me get this straight. Gonzaga who's got a total of 6 in the ufc is ok , but anderson Silva who's got an equal number of fights in both Pride fc & ufc (5 fights in both orgs) only reps the ufc right ?..

Here's the deal...
Anderson , whether you look at it one way or the other..
fought 5 ****ing times in pride just like he did in the ufc.
and whatever we're gonna label him...He got subbed twice in pride anyway.
and he's doing a killing in ufc's mw division.

Gonzaga beat crocop but got defeated again , just like in 2003...by the same guy...(werdum) , pretty much the same scenario of liddell vs jackson.. (jackson owned liddell in 2003 and did it again for the belt).

Kongo beats crocop...
Kongo also got beat by Gilbert Yvel ,and Yvel even lost against Minowa...
Kongo's defeat against crocop just indicates what we already knew...Crocop is not the same anymore. It happens.
and before you tell me that it's an "excuse"....

Could you seriously tell me with a straight face that Kongo > prime aerts , hoost , bernardo , hug , le banner , feitosa etc....in the striking department ? **** no....Crocop used to fight these guys , and fought way superior competition in the past....comparing today's guy to the one of the K1 era or 2002- 2005 mma era...is meaningless..

It's like giving all the credit int he world to McBride for beating a shot Tyson. And you know it.

Diaz beats Gomi...
Again , this someone proves that ufc > pride ?
Are you forgeting that Diaz also got beat by Noons ?
And guess what ?
Charles Bennet > Noons
Kawajiri > Charles Bennet
Gomi > Kawajiri

I know this mmath is bull**** , but pointing the fact that Diaz > Gomi is somehow an indication that ufc > pride is just as ****ing stupid when you actually pay close attention to Diaz' losses.

You don't like when people say pride > ufc but you're not complaining when everyone's sucking on dana's dick either...

Griffin beats Shogun.
Big ****in deal...Sobral did it too in IFC.
does that take away shogun's dominant victories from the 2005 gp ? **** no. and don't forget that jackson (today's lhw champ) was ALSO part of the 2005 gp , and lost against shogun too.
what are you gonna do now ?
make a petition to give griffin jackson's belt ?
Guess what ?
Griffin also lost against Horn ,and Horn lost vs Arona...
and arona got beat by shogun too...

 

May be but its not a pre requiste for simply saying ALL PRIDE fighters were on gear. The NSAC test for gear and yet rountinely UFC fighters have been caught out. Rules or not fighters break them.Its part of the territory.

 

Continuing with Nogueira..You're saying that he got his ass beat....
So ****ing what ?
Nogueira got his ass beat by many fighters in his career and even had to endure more brutal punishements in his career...so what ?

Reality check ....No matter how you look at it
Nogueira defeated Barnett
Barnett defeated a prime couture..

a past prime nogueira even finished tim.
Couture didn't. Even at his worst , Nog still found a way to finish the ****ing fight in the 3rd. I know it's the new trend to **** all over ex pride fighters but give the guy a ****ing break already..

 

I tell you what , orgs may not create or train these ****ing fighters , but your remark is still incredibly biased. You don't like the pride myth but you're OK when a ufc fighter is winning...

Another reality check though...
AGAIN , no matter how you look at it...
Anderson silva
Antonio nogueira
Jackson....

All ex pride fc fighter , all ufc champions.
and the saddest thing is that even when you don't concider anderson to be an "ex pride" fighter , the guy got subbed twice in pride anyway..it's a lose lose situation ...

It's actually a first in mma history...
3 guys , all 3 , sharing the same career past in japan...managed to grab the belt in today's # 1 org.

Not bad....
Werdum > Gonzaga twice...
Gonzaga is not even part of the equation anymore...

Fighters are fighters...
i don't know what pride fc's ex talents have proven...
But what i do ****in know is no matter how "bad" or "good" they're supposed to be... 3 of them , used to fight over there and these 3 are champions now.

that's pretty good for a bunch of overrated ****s isn't it ?
We just need to stop this pride vs ufc bull**** once and for all...
because pride is dead anyway.

 

I really don't feel like getting into this argument. It means nothing. I didn't bother reading anything more than the first part, and already you point out Wanderlei coming off of two losses... and fail to point out that Liddell is also coming off of two losses... and he is a lot older than Silva. There is no point in going back and forth about this nonsense. They are all in the UFC now, so I guess they are all "UFC fighters".

 

Btw , let's not forget a little detail...
Remember Rizzo in pride fc ?
Got murked by Zentsov and Kharitonov.
Kharitonov took maybe 2 mins or less and zentsov finished him in 30 seconds...

Remember , Rizzo wasn't just anybody either..
Got beat by randleman in his prime sure..
but he's also the same guy who beat Arlovski , barnett , Ricco...

and before anyone gives me the "past prime" excuse (that no one wants to accept when it comes to crocop)...

Let's not forget that the same guy who got killed in japan , made a come back , and tkoed Monson in 2007.

The very same Monson who lost against Sylvia
(the very same sylvia who lost against a way , WAY past prime Nogueira)

 

let a dead dog lye, Now we get to see better fights with better fighters, i'm glad alot of pride fighters have come over, win or lose most of the best fighters are fighting each other, rather then spreading out in different org's avoiding each other.

 

They are...so don't bring this **** up again...because you have no valid points.

 

You can't post that big pile of wank and then claim to be impartial. You DID feel like getting into this argument before you got your ass owned :good

 

Yea.... are you going to be alright? Do you jack off to the pride emblem? I think that the valid points are pretty simple. Most of the "pride fighters" that have fought in the UFC have lost. Really don't need to make excuses for every fight, and every fighter. It makes you look pathetic.