as far as i'm concerned..Fedor would submit both

Honestly are you ****ing kidding?? Fedor would have Brock in an armbar faster than he beat Tim Sylvia. I mean **** me Brock is nice for an athletic big man but this joyboy nonsense is bull****.

 

Lesnar has no subdefense. Iv surely not seen it yet. To be honest i wasnt impressed at all in his fight with Couture and found him to be quite static and far less dynamic than when he fought Herring. Maybe it was because he was pacing himself for 5 rounds.. The ending was awful and as a whole the fight wasnt up to much. It matters not as the first legitmate striker or submission specialist he faces and his toast. Id bet my house on Gonzaga to KO him in under a round thats real.

 

Lesnar might be able to give Fedor a run in 3-4 years, but at this point, his sub defense is far below where it needs to be. Fedor is all wrong for Lesnar. He's a great submission fighter with good quickness and a strong clinch game.

 

Lesnar MIGHT get armbarred by Fedor, but let's not forget that Fedor is also a force to be reckoned with on his feet.

Brock never looked hurt ni any of his fights yet, but no one he has fought hits as hard as fedor. Also, he hasn't been hit a lot. If Fedor can drop Sylvia in like, 13 seconds, I think Brock has plenty to worry about with Fedor's hands before he even thinks about sub defense.

Before he fights Fedor I would like to see him versus HMC! That would be amazing. Let's see Brock take down THAT guy (he might could, I just want to see it).

 

Look Nog vs Bob Sapp

 

Where is the assumption that Nogueira is shot coming from?

 

lol you almost had me til you mentioned Gonzaga, who looks great and SCARY with his poses against people who shouldnt even be fighting. Ill say it now, Gonzaga will go nowhere in this division and he will be slumped in the corner against Lesnar. I wouldnt pick Gonzaga over Herring. And yes I agree Lesnar is a limited MMA fighter but he is 100 times more of an athlete than Gonzaga, I mean that. And he seemed nervous Saturday night, could be why all of a sudden he looked sluggish.

And yes Fedor will ko Couture and submit Lesnar

 

That was a lifetime ago. I repeat, you guys need to watch your MMA..Nog is Danas red herring for the UFC not being able to land Fedor. This man has two drops of blood remaining and Dana is trying to squeeze both. The UFC cant afford to give him another win as was the case in Herring, unfortunately, with the arrival of Brock and return of Randy, Nog is a lost away from being gone.

Look at the progression of his last few fights, he has regressed tremendously, he is slower than a snail. You can only get beat up for the first two rounds often enough, eventually he wont be able to pull the miracle sub and I wont bet on him pulling it off on Lesnar next year.

 

He still has to get by Mir....people are acting like it's a shoe in for NOG. I think Mir gives him a great fight and wouldn't be surprised if he won.

 

I agree, Mir has become an afterthought in this fight. If he gets a leglock, this could be over fast. Id still go with Nog just because Mirs standup is so shitty.

 

Nog has been in a clear decline since 2006 or so... just looking at the fights.

His fight with Sylvia is probably the best example. Granted, Sylvia is an awkward guy to fight, but Nog has been relying more and more on just soaking up the punishment until he can make something happen via experience and BJJ. He was doing poorly against Sylvia in ways that he shouldn't prior to the finish.

He's had a long, brutal career, even for a relatively young guy. Just wear and tear.

EDIT - I guess I kind of avoided the question. Nog isn't entirely shot in the RJJ sense. Physically he is MUCH worse off than he was just a few years ago, look at the above poster's comment about how slow Nog is nowadays. Technically he's as good as ever, though, so he's still a very dangerous fighter. Sort of like Hopkins...

 

Im glad you are watching the fights because I thought I was in the there twilight zone for awhile

Forget Nog vs. Silva...Heath Herring beat Nog! ****in Dana had to let the fight go on. If people dont believe me rewatch that fight

 

Your talking a load of ****, Ive trained in BJJ Barra/Gracie (5 years now) and it dosnt make you a super hero like your thinking. All these guys may be able to tap him out but they may not also. What happens if he wrestles them to the ground and pounds on there head.
Im around 300 pounds and when i started at BJJ a few of the guys could submit me easily, Within 8 months they couldnt unless i made a really stupid mistake.

BJJ isnt the be all and end all.