What happens is the trap a limp and you have the Frank Mir effect:yep Fedor did the same vs Hong Man Choi. Nog did the same vs Bob Sapp. Girth is really immaterial when your dealing with a quality BJJ artists. Royce Gracie proved this undoubtedly in the early UFC`s.
I see where your coming from Mate, But if he is seriously training in BJJ defence it isnt that huge a task for a man of his size. I train with a guy who has won numorous titles at around 200 pounds and he struggles to try and submit me. I am just much stronger than him and trying to submit my upper body is almost impossible for him. If Brock is serious about this sport then he has the natural size and ability to be the best. Its funny though how many are bagging him when honestly after 4 fights he is easily in the top 3 MMA fighters in the world. Fedor wasnt this good after 4 fights and neither was any other MMA fighter.
:huh Where on earth do you find a comparison between Fedor and Lesnar? Lesnar earned NOTHING to get his shot. He beat Herring and a guy who was half his size and 45 years old? Im pretty sure Bob Sapp could have done the same thing with as much ease as did Lesnar. Do you think Hong Man Choi did well in the K1 because of his skill? Like you said physical dimensions do pose alot of problems hence why we have weight categories.Obviously at heavy the top limitation is 265 which will cause many problems for smalll heavies like Couture. In days gone by the UFC heavy champs were all around 220 or below. Coleman Randleman Couture Bas etc. Lesnar is a unique athletic freak but please do not make any comparison between himself and Fedor. The diparity between the 2 is soooo great its not even funny. As for a comparison after 3-4 fights again thats entirely immaterial as Fedor was in "Rings" at the time which although close to MMA had a diffrent rule set. That aside he was also beating up quality mainstays like Arona Sobral and Takada. Thats easily better than anything Lesnar has accomplished in his very short career.
:huh super hero ?...was i truely giving you the feeling that i was associating bjj artists with superheros ? Something was lost in translation here.... I'm usually the guy who admits that nothing is ever certain in a fight (even against lesser experienced fighters) , especially in this sport. I was just talking about a hypothetical version of Lesnar. (same guy only with a fedor or jacare-like sub defense & offense). I was saying that it wasn't realistic to believe that this guy would reach this level even in two years time. I'm jus talking about Lesnar vs top level competition here. By the way , i get the feeling that you took this one on a personal level. No offense "BIG FELLA" , but..You training for + 5 years in bjj is a bit irrelevant here. Are you insinuating that "because" you've trained all these years , you're somehow , a voice of authority on the subject matter ? isn't it a logical fallacy in some way ? There's professionals who gets submitted by other top level bjj artists all the time in this sport. I don't think i quite understand your point. You're telling me that within 8 months , no one could submit you. Well congrats but it's not like you ever were confronted to the likes of Nogueira , Barnett or Penn right ? ... I mean you do realise that , for instance , when Werdum had to fight Nogueira , his bjj was totally nullified right ?... What level of competition are you talking about here ? There's guys who've been training bjj for years and who'll never reach the same level of certain mma top competitors. It's a fact. Just like there's plenty of guys who'v been training in kickboxing but who'll never be half the fighters Aerts or Hoost , Kaman were in their prime. I thought i made myself clear in my previous message..
1 He certainly isn't. (i'm sorry , but there's no legit proof to claim that he's easily a top 3 mma fighter at this point. 2 - You're right , Fedor was actually better. at the time. He was already submitting his opponents. 3 - I'm sorry but lots of other mma fighters were better too... Want a few names ? Nogueira.. at Lesnar's current career stage , Nog was already pulling a crucifix sub & armbars Kharitonov , Barnett , Ricco..should i continue ?
i thought this was common knowledge and anyone that thought randy or lesnar would beat fedor is just dumb.
It's hard to tell with Nog becuase he's taken so many beatings but i was'nt happy with the way he looked in the Herring and Sylvia fights.