As Marciano was never beaten, is it reasonable to pick a >200lb fighter over him?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There is some contention over his level of competition, but he fought the best of his era, overcame adversity (back, cuts, great, great boxing Heavyweights) and fought a proper pro career - never beaten.

    Given that Roy Jones is treated by some as an unbeatable monster head to head (not unjustly perhaps), despite the fact that he didn't fight some of his best contempories, what of Marciano who actually remained unbeaten?

    Can picking him over anyone between 175 and 200 be justified, Jones, Dempsey, Ezzard Charles (of course) included, be justified? Or is he the best around this weight, all time?
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Unless i misinterpret your post, don't you mean <200lb?

    I would not make any fighter in the history of the sport below 200lb a favorite over Marciano. In a head to head sense, Marciano is top10 p4p for me.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah. Sometimes I get confused.
     
  4. SteveO

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    I'm not saying he would win, but I think Jones at 198 would give the Rock some trouble.
     
  5. McGrain

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    :lol:

    Show yourself the door son.
     
  6. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones over Marciano? As soon as the"Suzie Q" lands,...say"goodnight"
     
  7. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His record is overrated to me, it consists of 36 tomato cans, 2 blown up light heavyweights that were past thier best and an old joe louis with about 5 contenders. Joe Frazier would have been undefeated if he fought during that era too.
     
  8. Luigi1985

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    Yeah, he had a lot of trouble with a mediocre contender like Bonavena, but he automatically beat HOF like Walcott or Charles...
     
  9. brownpimp88

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    Bonavena would have been a top 5 contender in that era. Ezzard Charles and joe walcott are boxers that stylistically are good for frazier, i would easily see him beating both. By the way, the rock fought the 1954 version of charles anyways, he was 3-4 years past his prime by then.
     
  10. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Be honest, you never saw a prime Charles, so you can´t judge how the Charles was who fought Marciano...
     
  11. McGrain

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    In a way, I want to say "so?" Rocky ran into trouble, and proved himself a "find a way" fighter. A big, big thing. You get told "one round" and you knock that man out, that's a big deal to me.

    Anwyay, do you pick anyone to beat him at around his own weight?
     
  12. Luigi1985

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    You sound like the Walcott or the Charles who fought Marciano were bad versions like the Holmes who fought Tyson (IMO Tyson beats also a prime Holmes btw), but that isn´t the truth, I saw both Walcott and Charles (especially him, because Walcott peaked very late) and the versions who fought Rocky were very good.
     
  13. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He lost 7 times within a 3 year span prior to losing to marciano, i think that suggests his prime was over.
     
  14. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    I think Frazier would've definately dominated the era as well, though he may have suffered a loss.
     
  15. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never said anything about his walcott win, thats his best win.