As Marciano was never beaten, is it reasonable to pick a >200lb fighter over him?

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'd pick most modern Heavy's who are ranked, most modern solid CW's and plenty of famous LHW's over Marciano.

    Bob Foster wins over Marciano in my opinion.
     
  2. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    He lost twice to Walcott, who he beat before, than to Valdes, and than to Layne. The Johnson-loss I don´t count, because it was a robbery. No shame to lose against such good ranked opposition, let Wlad fight fighters like Ibragimov, Chagaev, Povetkin, Arreola, etc. (instead of fighters like Austin) in 2 years time than you would see that he would also lose some fights, lame counter...
     
  3. Luigi1985

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    Of course Foster would win, he proved at HW that he could survive against an ATG-HW- puncher like Marciano with his iron chin...
     
  4. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah and right after the marciano losses he lost 15 times within 5 years. So he lost 22 times within 8 years, hardly a lame counter. Charles was past his prime.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Anthony Mundine is likely a good pick over Rocky also.
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

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    Best ever at around 200lbs +/- 5 lbs. I'd say the competition is between Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, and Holyfield. Tough to pick between them, if forced I'd probably go with Louis or Holyfield.
     
  7. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would personally give Marciano at least even odds against any sub-200 pound opponent in history.
     
  8. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone with a chin is a threat to Marciano.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You've got to be shitting me.

    I'm no great fan of Marciano as they come but in my 30 years of watching the sport, and 8 years of competing in it, I'd say he's as good a pick as there is in the sub-200 class, a definite lb for lb'er. There are so many things he does so well that the novice misses on film and even his competition missed until they got in the ring with him. Supremely under-rated defense, fantastic stamina and fitness, and he carried a bit of pop. Plus, that somewhat important thing called heart which he proved time and again. Short career in terms of his time at the top? Sure, but his style dictated that, as did Fraziers, Dempsey's and Tyson's.

    I'm not going to rank him as unbeatable vs. top heavies of the last three decades, but for under 200 lbs., no doubt in my mind.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Keep taking the tablets.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would say only if they were an all time great and there was a good stylistic argument for that fighter beating him.

    In that case sure.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It is one thing to run your eye down Marciano's record and conclude you would favour Frazier over every single opponent.

    Quite another to asume that he would fight them all in that order and never loose.

    Personaly I would give Marciano even money or less at repeating his 49-0 record if we ran the experiment agains with the same opponents.
     
  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Same here

    No way.
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    What modern cruiserweights would you pick over him?

    Or heavyweights for that matter?
     
  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Oh, I misread the question. My mistake. I thought it read which modern heavyweight would you pick over Marciano's competition! Quite a few.

    What modern Cruiserweights would I pick over Marciano?

    Perhaps Holyfield at 190 pounds could eek out a point’s decision. But outside of Holyfield, there really has not been a super impressive cruiser weight.

    I would pick Walcott, or a prime Charles to be the #1 guy at Cruiser weight today.