As much as i hated Naz, in his prime, he is very under-rated

100 % agree with everything in this post, put what i wanted to say in this thread in a far better way than i would have :happy :happy

 

that just proves how good naseem was when he was in his prime, he still looked impressive even though he was way past his best.

 

Yeah, because Hamed's defence was good enough to keep Pacquiao from chopping hooks off his skull all night long til he was thoroughly KTFO :-(

 

Definetly would be a possibility even the most likely outcome, however hameds chin was very good and if pac gets involved in a brawl the way he likes to fight hamed could quite easily knock him out, pac if he boxes sensibly like barrera did would win but that aint pacs style. And pacs defence is hardly A plus either though better than naz's

 

Im not saying he was past it... he was in his PRIME YEARS but his ABSOLUTE PEAK was vs Robinson.

 

He was very entertaining to watch

 

Twisting the words to suit yourself again I see. I asked what "peak elite" fighters Pac had beaten, and you have given me MAB and Morales again, despite accepting they were not at their peak.:roll: So rather than repeating the names, why not remove the two who are not eligible by virtue of not being at their peaks?

Now, that leaves you with one name doesn't it?

And I actually agree with you in regards to individual merits, but it was not me who tried to pass off Peden et al as elite fighters, it was you. Now you are saying it is about what was a tougher fight regardless of overall standing and resume. That is fine too, but that is not what you said is it?
Moreover can you not see the double standard you are applying AGAIN?

Peden is not elite on anyones record. He is not going down in history but you would class him as tougher than certain bigger names due to his form at the time and perhaps other intangibles. Correct?

And yet your analysis of Hamed was based on the names. You listed his lack of elite names. Well by your own rationale, Ingle could well be deemed a very tough fight. Insane stamina, had never lost and after losing to Hamed went on to go and KO Junior Jones.

But I doubt you would give Ingle any credit, it appears you use one set of rules when analysing a fighter you are a fan of and another when it is useful to change stance for an attack on a fighter you feel is overrated.
You think shot Morales annhilates Hameds opp, I disagree, shot Morales lost to Raheem and I don't see how you rate Raheem higher than 1996 Medina, 1997 Johnson let alone Kevin Kelley of the Hamed fight.

You should accept that you have totally changed your argument. You are now saying it is who was tougher at the time and that name is irrelevant and yet it was YOU who brought up names and which names could be classed as "elite" a moniker you then handed out to fighters who are never going down as elite.

And yes I saw McKinney fight and yes he was a very good little fighter, not elite mind and straight after stopping Junior Jones (as you pointed out by way of argument) he was KOd by Espinosa. Espinosa who lost to Soto, was KTFO by Augie Sanchez. Two guys who Hamed beat. And before MAB beat him, so did Bungu, another guy destroyed by Hamed.

So we could go around in circles, with who beat who and what fighter A did to B in comparison to C.

Fact is yes all three of the greats mentioned have better resumes than Hamed, but your analysis of the records was bias and fallacious from the off set and you have simply moved the goal posts when it suited you in order to advance your argument.

 

This post Strike reaffirmes my belief that youre the best poster on ESB.:good

 

why is someone with my name using the same avator as me ? bit spooked by that .

 

Im an elite ESB poster newb, ive never heard of you up until this post. Change your avatar, i tower over you.


(although ive got to admit thats pretty weird & funny same avatar and pretty much same name.:think)

 

His ABSOLUTE PEAK came against the worst fighter he fought at world title level. Weird that, isn't it?

If you think that was a better performance than his 4 round destruction of Vuyani Bungu in 2000, I just don't know what to say.

 

you mustn't have been on here for a while, i've had this avator for a good while

 

i'm not changing it if you're calling me newb. the word goes trhrough me.

 

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Yup ive been away working and off esb for 2 months except to update my predicition league in the Brit forum.




sidenote; im embarrassed pacfan84 is from Glasgow, his double standards in his use of facts is cringe worthy. Another poster to add to the 'laugh at' list.