As much as i like HW's, outside of Haye, the Klits really depleted the division...

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I've always been a great supported of the big guys, but it's become so apparent how far the Klitschko's are above the rest and the division seems to get depleted.

    What happened in the last few years when Vitali was retired... Rahman, who was considered the #3 or #2 behind Wlad, lost to Maskaev in a decent fight, with the highlight being him holding on the Oleg's leg on the floor after the first KD. :yep In a years time, Maskaev makes one title defence against a relative nobody in Okhello and wins an easy decision. Then Peter, after some struggle, stops the 39 year old Russian in the 6th round. After this merry-go-round, in comes Vitali Klitschko who completly and utterly dominates the Nigarian despite being 10 years old and coming off a four year lay off.

    Then he does the same to the Cuban southpaw Gomez, who was ranked in the top5, and yesterday annihilated Arreola in ten lop-sided rounds, throwing 80 punches per round while constantly moving and using angles.


    As for Wlad, he beat the "next big thing" in Sam Peter when the man was still in shape and an aggressive, confident bull. In my opinion, he beat the very best version of Peter. The Ukranian was given no chance in this bout, and virtually everyone picked him to be KO'd within a few rounds. He did not have to take this fight, by the way, and could've gone the Maskaev route of beating up nobodies until you get a shot. But he got in there with Peter and handed him his first defeat. Then he stoppped Byrd, including one of the best right hand knockdowns i've ever seen, in the fifth round. Beats the longest reigning beltholder.

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    After takes on American undefeated contender Calvin Brock and leaves him down face-first in the 7th. Has to fight Don King mandatory Ray Austin, knocks him out with a quadraple left hook without ever using his right hand in the entire fight. Austin went even with Ibragimov. Sultan booked (unlike Valuev) an easy win over Holyfield and beat Briggs comfortably, who just knocked out the #2 Liakhovic at that time. At Feb. 2008 Wlad and Sultan fought, or i should say sparred, since Ibragimov did not want to take any risk and Wlad was contend winning rounds the way it was. An awfully boring affair, but again a lopsided win for the big Ukranian and unifies two belts for the first time in ten years.

    Tony Thompson, looked pretty good in recent bouts and was undefeated with an iron jaw, gave Wlad some tough moments, but in the end did no more than win two or so rounds. Then Wlad was scheduled to fight Povetkin, who pulled out because of an injury. The late minute substitute Rahman had no chance.

    On to Chagaev, who has been the most consistent outside of the Klits, and generally considered the #3 for a long time. They get in the ring. Again, a one-sided, easy victory for Wlad. I only gave him the 6th, and even that round could've been argued a draw.



    Who the hell is left? Povetkin might have the tools, but his stock has gone down after his year of inactivity... is he still hungry? He should stay active. Then there's Haye, who may be the biggest threat out there, but again, the same was said about Arreola, and the Mac win has been diminished somewhat. Chambers? Very skilled, but ultimately too small and powerless and would be destroyed by Wlad much the same way he did Byrd, although i give him a fair chance against Vitali, if the latter ages a bit. There is Valuev, but since his embarrassement to the 46 year old Holyfield and after a history of shady decisions, no one really takes him serious anymore. The only question, to me, would be whether they can stop him before the final bell.

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    There is just such a gigantic gap between those two and the rest of the division, and they're running out of challengers. Who do you REALLY consider a threat to either Klitschko??
     
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  2. El Radar

    El Radar Member Full Member

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    Haye. He has the P4P punch, speed and comes in great shape. That been said his chin leaves a lot to be desired but then again for me he has a better chance than anyone.
     
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  3. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the division is in need of some new talent.

    out of the contenders.

    i only take povetkin and haye seriously.

    povetkin in his last fight looked woeful though. :roll:

    he needs to improve on that and get back to the sort of form he showed against byrd and chambers.

    haye is a threat cos of his power and skills. but his chin is unproven at heavyweight.

    i think haye beats wladimir klitschko. i just don't see wlad standing up to haye's big punches. he's not fought many punchers in his whole career and when he has he's had big size advantages.

    that fight falling thru was a big blow to the division. let's hope haye delivers against valuev and that fight is back on the burner.

    the division needs it to happen. :bbb
     
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  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Klitschko's stand alone at the top. I doubt anyone will beat them unless they carry on for several years and age finally catches up.

    I don't think you and I will ever agree on the quality of their opponents though. Brock was a good fighter and it was a good win, but really since then nobody that has Wlad fought has impressed me. The same goes for Vitali's opponents, except for Lewis.
    Sam Peter is strong sure, but he's raw and crude.

    Let's put it this way: Corrie Sanders, at the time he fought the Klits, was better than any of their title challengers. (Imo) And Sanders was past what little prime he had.
     
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  5. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    his power alone makes him dangerous for wladimir. :scaredas:

    let alone the handspeed and skills he's got. :bbb

    despite wlad's improvements he's not fought a good puncher with good size for an age.

    he never rematched sanders, so the question marks linger until he beats haye. :deal
     
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  6. Berufsboxer

    Berufsboxer New Member Full Member

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    Povetkin, Haye, and Chambers will all end up looking like Chagaev after a fight with either Klitschko. Valuev on the other hand would have a legitimate chance of winning, especially against Wladimir. Now this would all depend on Valuev's strategy. If Valuev tried to stand back and jab and try to use his reach (which his trainers seem to prefer), he will definitely lose.

    Valuev would be able to get inside on Wladimir, and would need to. Valuev probably has the best chin in all of boxing and Klitschko punches don't hurt as much when they're thrown upwards. Valuev doesn't even need to land a whole lot of hard shots. Just by getting inside and roughing up Wladimir, he will throw him out of his rhythm and put Wlad into distress. Against Vitali this may not work as well but Valuev would have a very good chance of beating either Klitschko with the right strategy. If Valuev could turn the fight into a brawl, he's going to win.
     
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  7. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    one of the things about sanders was the fact he was a puncher.

    the division is so lacking in power punchers right now.

    the punchers that are in the division are all short, stocky guys like arreola, peter, boystov.

    it's such a depressing scene at heavyweight. :patsch
     
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  8. El Radar

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    Yep. I keep thinking how Holyfield should have definatly won last December so the third best heavyweight in the world would be a 46 year old guy who has been declining for about a decade and throws about 15 punches a round.
     
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  9. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry, my friend, by there are far more question marks for Haye than there are for Wlad. He's had one legit heavyweight match against a past his prime, pillow-punching veteran. And he got dropped in that fight. Haye would be at least a 3-1 underdog vs. Wlad and probably a 5-1 against Vitali.
     
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  10. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i agree with that.

    EDIT : even though he beat peter who can bang. you'd have to be keen to see what happens in the first couple of rounds against a fighter like haye whos faster and better equipped to tag the big man.
     
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  11. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    good thread :thumbsup

    next year will be a good year for heavyweight boxing if we get to see;

    wladimir vs haye
    vitali vs valuev

    although if haye loses to valuev the first fight wont mean too much. i'd like to see vitali take maybe 3 more fights though, and try to go for fighters that will seal his legacy.
     
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  12. Wordup

    Wordup Big Stiff Idiot Full Member

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    No one.
     
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  13. The_Chesco_Kid

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    The only thing you can say about Haye now is that he hasn't fought one of the Klitsckos and is therefore an unknown commodity
     
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  14. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's an excellent post, very though provoking. Welcome to the forum.
     
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  15. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah but wladimir ain't talking all the bombs thompson took in a million yrs. :yep
     
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