As of now: Crawford or Lomachenko higher pound for pound?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Dec 12, 2017.


Who is the more perfect fighter at this juncture, IYO?

Poll closed Feb 10, 2018.
  1. Vasyl "Hi-Tek" Lomachenko #1

    64.2%
  2. Terence "Bud" Crawford #1

    23.2%
  3. Vasyl "Hi-Tek" Lomachenko higher, but lower than #1

    6.3%
  4. Terence "Bud" Crawford higher, but lower than #1

    6.3%
  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I sincerely hope that Crawford never becomes a big star. His talent is undeniable, but that mouth and arrogance is too much for me. He bitched about not fighting a 38 year old Manny Pacquiao. And he bitched about the adulation heaped upon Loma.

    This is a guy who bitches, moans and complains. It's his personality. And there will be more of it.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Holyfield didn't even need to move up necessarily. If he were to have just held it down at CW and cleaned house into the mid 90s beating everyone, he would still be a consensus ATG, plus a top p4p boxer of his era.
     
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  3. Mynydd

    Mynydd Member Full Member

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    Arbitrary comparison, but to follow it up, he would be the strongest man in the world P4P if he could lift a higher percentage of his bodyweight than anyone else. And if Anthony Joshua sold his soul tomorrow in return for Loma's skill, Golovkin's chin and Klitschko's jab then he'd be both the best boxer (in that nobody alive could beat him) and the best P4P boxer too (in that he would be better at boxing than anyone else, regardless of size).

    All that said, far be it from me to try and tell you how to organise something as objective as a personal P4P list!
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Thing is, it really isn't subjective. I mean the sorting is, but the underlying rationale and purpose shouldn't be. Most people just don't understand the concept of "pound for pound" ranking or why it exists in the first place. The idea is to assess boxer's value relative to size. So his comparison isn't arbitrary at all. It's literally the same concept p4p is meant to convey. An ant is p4p much stronger than a human. Salvador Sanchez is p4p much better than, say, Cleveland Williams. Got it?
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I guess you're none too sad to see the end of the Mayweather era, then? :lol:

    ...are you old enough to remember the Sweet Pea era?

    Bud is hardly the most arrogant or mouthy guy to come along in this sport...
     
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  6. Mynydd

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    But I'm saying exactly the same as you. As in, a bodybuilder who could lift a higher percentage of their bodyweight than anyone else is a stronger man P4P (as with your ant). Did you also miss the bit where I said "the best boxer, regardless of size" being the measure of being P4P #1? I assume you did, because I can't fathom the reasoning for the patronising "got it?" at the end if you actually understood what I wrote...
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Actually tbh no I had skimmed your post and initially thought you were arguing the counterpoint with ilikeboxing, seems all three of us are on the same page though.
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well you see Mayweather was unbelievably talented like Crawford is. But Mayweather also became a mainstream boxing star and a celebrity.

    I don't remember Pernell that much.

    And yes, Floyd's antics were annoying. Dude called himself TBE, greater than SRR, but his best win was Jose Luis Castillo. Sit down son.
     
  9. Mynydd

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    I just disagree with his assertion that a heavyweight can't be P4P #1 just because he's bigger. If he's the best at boxing, then he's the #1 in my eyes. Not that I can remember the last time a heavyweight was actually #1. Lewis, maybe...
     
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  10. Ilikeboxing

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    That's the thing, how do you measure "skill" in boxing exactly? Because as you can see with this poll, skills are measured differently from eye to eye. You can't measure skill, unless its by a wide margin, which dosen't exist when comparing Bud and Loma. You can measure power, skill is a different story. And than you take size into consideration, I could say I'd love to see Loma do what Usyk does up at THAT weight, because it won't be happening. The smaller guys are more technically proficient than the HW's, it'll always be the case because smaller guys have speed, and quickness over the larger guys. So P4P these smaller guys are better than their HW counterparts, that's how I base the P4P list.
     
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  11. Mynydd

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    Yeah, I get what you're saying. Think there's some truth to it. And most of my favourite fighters are generally middleweight or lower, precisely because they are quicker (and therefore seem more skilled).
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think we all pretty much agree - heavyweights can make p4p lists, but they have to be downright incredible given they are wading in, generally, much weaker p4p waters.
     
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    Postal>Rigo
    Russel>Gamboa
    Diaz>Sosa
     
  14. tinman

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    I'm curious why you say that? Yes the HW division is weaker right now. But do you believe the division just lends itself to lower quality boxers? Or is it something else?
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    For most of my lifetime it has, yes.
     
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