As per BoxRec there are now no American born HWs in the top 15

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?sex=M&division=Heavyweight&offset=0

    Wilder has slipped down to #17. I'd wager this is the first time in history that there are no Americans in the top 15. What does the future hold for American boxers in the heavyweight division in a post-Wilder world?

    America used to famously dominate and define heavyweight boxing for decades.
     
  2. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In the short-term the picture looks bleak to me.
    • Michael Hunter isn't elite. And I think the mess with Triller and the Hughie Fury bull**** has taken away his heart. And he only has a couple years left before he ages out, anyhow.
    • Jermaine Franklin will never star. He's a decent trialhorse and the division needs more of those guys - but he will never contend.
    • I think Jared Anderson is a hypejob. He almost certainly will get a title shot at some point, and it might even happen next year given the chaos Fury v. Usyk will unleash in the IBF (Anderson is currently #5). But he isn't beating anybody in the top-10. He may not even be a top-20 fighter tbh.
    • Richard Torrez Jr is going nowhere as a heavyweight. The first decent boxer-puncher he comes across will take his head clean off. If TopRank is willing to sink some money into the project, he might become the first "Bridgerweight" star. But that seems like a less than excellent use of Uncle Bob's money.
    • The ceiling for Brandon Moore & Jeremiah Milton is - at best - that of Jermaine Franklin. Anthony Mireles is an obvious hypejob and he's had a couple close calls already.
    The only rays of hope right now are Lorenzo Medina (way to soon to say whether he's a bluechip prospect) and that the USA Boxing amateur program is in better shape than it's been in a long time. Ali Feliz (younger son of Fernely Feliz Sr) seems to be the top guy right now, even if Joshua Edwards will be the fighter going to the Olympics. I suspect both Medina and Feliz have higher ceilings as Pros than Torrez does.

    So I don't see any serious prospects for the USA for another couple years at the least.
     
  3. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    Looking down the list of the current top American heavyweights, I have to say the future looks grim. Not seeing that much potential in the near term.

    I thought Miller had more promise, but it looks like no.

    Jared Anderson, you are our only hope.
     
  4. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    What's unusual about that, is there are still far more active American heavyweights (348) than heavyweights from any other country, Russia is second with 63 and the UK is third with 57.
     
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  5. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd be shocked if BoxRec has accurate information on the # of boxers in countries outside of the USA & (most parts of) Europe. If you go to a city like Yekaterinaburg there will be multiple boxing events every weekend. I think that 63 figure is dubious - though many would-be boxers might be inactive due to fighting in the war.

    Also, a fair number of those USA heavyweights would be middleweights if they were at a healthy weight for their height.
     
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  6. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would expect that at a not-so-small number of heavyweights used to be light heavyweights.
     
  7. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    They are all playing baseball or working as CEO's.
     
  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Jared Anderson is really the only hope in the short term and I'm not that sold on him. He doesn't seem to want to stick around the sport long anyway, and will probably quit after his first loss.

    No idea what happened to Michael Hunter. He had promise, but dropped off a cliff.