As time goes on I rate Floyd's win over JMM higher.........

You're not getting the point here. I'm not sure how much simpler I can make it.

Benny, just because you think Floyd would beat Marquez at his prime weight doesn't mean his win in reality is anywhere near as good as ACTUALLY doing that would be.

I think Floyd would have destroyed Miguel Cotto. I think Floyd could have beaten younger and better versions of Mosley and De La Hoya. It doesn't mean I credit him with doing any of these things because I THINK he could've done them... because he DIDN'T do them.

All we can do is rate the reality.

 

How can you compare Floyd vs Oscar to Jmm vs floyd? Oscar was a fat, rich, lazy ******* at that point in his career. Where Floyd was at a much better time in his career. There are alot of factors not being considered here.

 

Here's what I'll say about that fight. The size difference between Mayweather and Martinez is greater than that of Mayweather and Marquez. If Mayweather went up to MW and was completely outboxed by Martinez, losing every round, landing under 8 punches a round and getting hit with 60% of the punches Martinez threw, just about everyone would say that was a good win for Martinez.

Marquez coming up 2 classes takes shine off the win, but it was impressive to see Floyd completely outclass and confuse a HOF caliber fighter. It wasn't that Floyd was bigger than Marquez, it was that he is clearly more talented and bigger. Mayweather is talented enough where it's not acceptable to fight anyone at a lower division, or even many top fighters in his own division. At the same time, he's expected and mocked for not fighting guys 1 and 2 divisions above him.

 

Oscar was years past his best by 2007. A blind man could see that.

Floyd had been at welter for 5 years.

Marquez had been at superfeather the previous year.

Marquez had only had 2 fights at lightweight, THEN had to jump another 2 divisions.

And after he'd done that, Floyd cheated the catchweight anyway.


How anyone can think this is a win of any value is beyond me. :nut

 

I agree that Mayweather should not be expected to fight a guy who weighs 170lbs on fightnight, I think the size difference is too big between him and Martinez. However, Floyd has been at welterweight for what, 7 years? And won a title at lmw? Marquez had 2 fights at lightweight before he met Floyd, and had never once fought over 135lbs. The jump in weight across 2 divisions was more of a reach for Marquez than it would be for Mayweather.

 

An easy fight after a long layoff is perfectly fine. I woulda gave floyd more credit for taking on a lower level welter than a great lightweight tho

 

As would I. JMM is not close to being one of Floyd's top 5 wins, I doubt I'd even have it top 10.

 

It's more difficult for Marquez because he's not as talented as Mayweather. In 2005 there was rumblings of a Mayweather/Wright fight at 154. Mayweather was at 140 at the time. He actually had about the experience there that Marquez had at LW. Anyway, the fight never happened and Mayweather is still criticized for supposedly ducking Wright. Mayweather is a unique talent and therefore he has unique expectations. People **** all on that Marquez fight because Marquez is not on Floyd's skill level and he had to come up in weight.

 

I have been a regular on boxing websites since 2008, and in those 4 years I have NEVER EVER seen anyone ever criticize Mayweather for not fighting Winky Wright at 154. Not even once. Ever.

Had the fight happened, Winky would've won 12-0 anyway. Aside from the fact he is a southpaw with one of the best jabs in modern boxing and a brilliant defence, he was also much bigger, stronger, heavier and busier than Mayweather. Absolutely terrible match-up for the lww Mayweather.

He would not have done any better in that fight than JMM did against him.

 

PS: Do you not accept this is an entirely different situation?

 

All I can say is that there have been many instances of Mayweather getting criticized for not fighting Wright on this forum. You're dead wrong if you say it's never happened. No way in he'll would Wright win every round against Mayweather. Floyd is way too talented for that. If Mayweather really has so many problems with southpaws, he wouldn't be 7/1 favorite over Ortiz.

 

I brought up the Winky Wright situation precisely because it's very similar to the Mayweather/Marquez situation.

 

Care to share?

Floyd has had trouble with southpaws the same size or smaller than him. Thus, he'd have nightmares against a southpaw both much bigger and much better than any he has fought before.

 

Floyd is much more well placed to fight a mw than JMM was to fight a ww, because of the facts I listed above.

 

Let's try this again. In 2005, Mayweather had been at 140 for a little over a year and had 3 fights there. It was at this time that he called out Wright for a fight 154, two divisions above his own division. The fight didn't come off and Mayweather was criticized for ducking Wright. In 2009, Marquez had been at LW for around a year and had 2 or 3 fights there. He called out Floyd to fight him at WW. The fight happened and Floyd was criticized for fighting a guy 2 divisions below him.