Ash-Shakur Nafi-Shahid Stevenson vs. Artem Harutyunyan & O'Shaquie Foster vs.Robson Conceição RBR.

doesnt look like he has. his pure talent is enough for most competition, but wont be against the elite, well schooled fighters. i think his gramps has taken him as far as his knowledge has allowed him to, but hes still got things to learn. shakur should seek out a top gym and trainer, where they can offer him top level sparring and instruction.
make no mistake, he is super talented, but he doesnt know how to fully use all that talent. any top trainer could make a beast of him, if he follows instructions and puts the work and determination into it.

 

Like I said ,THEY gave him. Not that Stevenson picked the opponent. If Stevenson couldn't look good against this guy that is on him. I would like to know what sabotage? That Harutyuyan was some hard as nail opponent ? If anything I saw TR trying their best to save Stevenson. A suppose p4p talent should have beaten this guy pillar to post if not outright stop him.

 

He gave Martin a very hard fight. He wasn't a bum or anything.

 

Harutyuyan is not anything special. Just look at the fight.

Why are people refusing what they are seeing with their own eyes? Before this Stevenson had an off fight sure. It can happen. But what an off night. Broke the lowest output record. Ok ok it was an of night. In this fight there was more output but against a guy that doesn't punch very hard. During fight there were time Stevenson just seems not in it. Back to very very low output. To the point he gave rnds away. Don't know why people are making excuse instead of just breaking down what we are seeing. Stevenson at 135 has been average. He is trying to desperate to lose the "boring fight" label. But in doing so he has regressed in my opinion.

 

The Conceicao fight was a close fight, biased commentary in a close fight can easily skew your perception.
Also, at 35, I thought Conceicao wasn’t gonna win a world title, and if he didn’t, he’d have been one of the best/better fighters to not win a world title, but he’s finally got his hands on one.

 

Nah, they picked Haruwhateverhis name because he was a complete nobody(low ratings) and came cheap.

 

So you think they shouldn't have picked him but a worst opponent? Are you saying Harutyuyan is a tough ass opponent ?

 

I think he's just doing what is asked of him (fighting aggressively) and doing it successfully enough to get wins vs contenders. He has tried to get Loma, but Loma didn't want him. Tank hasn't wanted the fight either.

 

Fighting aggressively ?I think this is where we will strongly disagree. Stevenson not being able to get better fight that is a whole different discussion. What we are talking about here is how he has looked at 135. He has looked average in two consecutive fights with neither opponent being anything special.

 

You keep running back to nonsense that Timmy and his buddies were spitting about Shakur.... We've all established that they were on some bull.... with their commentating and shameless promotion of Shakur.

I'm simply talking about YOUR comment. I'm pointing out that it's hypocritical to address their exaggerations of Shakur but then respond with an exaggeration of AH's production. Claiming he "clearly won at least 4 rounds"......... meaning 4 rounds was the minimum he won. At worst no one should score the fight less that 8-4 to Shakur. Now you saying 4 rounds was the minimum. Which is actually saying the exact same thing. You are pretty much saying that watching this fight you can name no less than 4 rounds in which AH was in total control. That's the part that's weird to me because I NEVER seen AH in control the entire fight. There for I can't think of one fight where he "clearly" won. But I can argue that he did enough to win a few rounds. I think AH deserved waaaay more respect than what he got Saturday from Timmy and crew. But I would be lying to say that he hands down (or in your term, "clearly") won any round, let alone at least 4.

I'll rewatch the fight again at some point just because I'm a student of the sport at all times. But from what I saw live.... That's my stance.

 

The fight was a lot closer than the commentators or compulie reflected. Espns coverage was a travesty of support for Shakur, who fought timidly once again.

 

No, I am saying that TR intentionally picked an unknown who is a terrible style matchup. As in they intentionally sabotaged the event.

 

I'm not about to read your response. I don't know what your deal is....

I'm done going back and forth with you on this. I've tried to dumb it down as much as I can. You seem like the type to keep pushing an agenda until you get the last word so I'll just step back and let you enjoy your "victory".....lol. I pointed out that Timmy and crew were spitting B.S., now you are saying they weren't. You trying to convince me, yourself, or somebody that AH "clearly" won at least 4 rounds..... It's just weird for you to be campaigning so hard for a mad who did nothing great that night. Nothing close to great. But hey, everyone gets a WiFi connection and have a ball with it. Enjoy your day buddy. Til next time....... Feel free to respond and get your last word, but I'm not coming back to this conversation.