Aside from Ali , who beats Lennox?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Bonavena would not be competitive with Lewis.imo
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Did Lewis ever get 3 DAYS WITHOUT FOOD PRIOR TO FIGHTING?
     
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Their were also some hard shots he took without going down!
     
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  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fresher than Holy though.

    Lewis had 10 year long pro career at that time, Holy - 15 years.

    Lennox had 10 title fights compared to Holy's 18

    Lennox's first title fight came in 1993, whyle Holy's - in 1986.

    So Lennox wasn't a spring chicken, but clearly the fresher of the two.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    In one of the early rounds of their 2nd, Foreman stunned Joe with a right hand and followed up immediately with a viscous left hook. Most, including Lewis would've been floored by that. You can credit Lewis with many advantages against the likes of Dempsey, Frazier, etc but chin is just ridiculous.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Yes, and Lewis couldn't even get up. Lewis didn't need a plan B, he just got counted out.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    Foreman was a lot better than Rahman too, let's face it.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Frazier only faced one superheavy hitter,in less than7 rounds he was down 8 times! Lewis has options against Frazier he can box him like he did Tua , he can meet him in mid ring and unload ,he can pot shot from range and grab him when he gets close.Frazier has no options, he has to come into Lewis's artillery.Small swarmers against superheavy bangers don't usually have a happy ending for the swarmer unless he has the heft, 2 fisted power, and hand speed of a Tyson.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    We were talking about Frazier getting hit by Rahman, I think.
    Frazier would get up, in my opinion, and probably beat Rahman up.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

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    TBH, I don't think Frazier would've even went down.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I think you can take this too far. Foreman was better than Schmeling (Louis), destroyed Frazier (Ali), was better than Meehan and Flynn (Dempsey), better than everyone who beat Wlad, better than lots of guys who beat Holyfield, etc. etc. Lewis beat a lot of very good fighters over a huge period of time, a ridiculous number of contenders, he's one of the great successes in terms of contenders defeated, and yeah, he lost two fights he shouldn't have including one that was in his prime, but he's huge, a huge puncher, and a good boxer. He's obviously not going to lose to everyone better than Rahman, therefore his losing to Rahman is not a reasonable reason for picking people less good than Rahman to beat him.
     
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  12. janitor

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    I honestly think that Frazier was one of the great heavyweights who was least likely to lose to somebody who was not a great fighter.

    His game was pretty fail safe.

    It took somebody at or close to his level to beat him.
     
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  13. Mr.DagoWop

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    botha-punch was set up with a jab. clearly not a one punch knockout lmao
    Williams-the ref stopped the fight, he wasn't counted out
    spinks-obviously was hurt the beating he was getting
    berbick-was taking a beating long before the left hook took him out. Less than a second earlier Tyson had just landed a right to the body.
    Tillman-Tyson was all over him the entire rd landing tons of punishment. Also landed a jab to the solar plexus before he threw the right hand.
    mathis-I guess you missed the 3 punches that came immediately before that.

    Do you honestly know what a one punch knockout is? Well first of all its only 1 punch...
     
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  14. choklab

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    Lewis faced many Punchers perhaps. But he was too clever to receive actual big punches from them.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Frazier had no plan B because he could not punch on the way in anymore. What could he do?

    Frazier was handicapped by having lost a vital range from his game. He could still punch hard but he had to walk in first. From then on He felt his way in without punching. He'd lost that pinpoint focus that had allowed him to time Ali on the way in.

    Foreman drew a line in the canvas where he knew Frazier could not reach him and he kept pushing joe behind that line and kept swatting Frazier as he walked up to the line.

    And let's not forget, there is no shame in losing to Foreman past his best.