Aside from Ali , who beats Lennox?

I figured would at least try to be honest in coming to a logical conclusion.

My mistake.

 

Thanks for the response. You are entitled to your opinion. Well noted.

I think Frazier is prime here and Lewis is prime here. Both against leading men too. And in the Garden. I don't think any champion was not prepared for the garden.

I think Lewis could not approach Frazier any other way than the way he approached Mercer.
Watching Frazier it is interesting to see how hard he had Ali working in the first moments. Ali had a great engine, but the shift in tempo orchestrated by Joe appears to make a big difference to him. What did you think of that?

 

I could see him landing with his right hand and knocking Lewis out I also think Witherspoon would be able to jab with Lewis, Witherspoon would need to be at his best to have a chance. Likely Lennox Lewis does beat him though.

 

I've been through this with you how many times now?

Williams against Satterfeild had four more fights than it took Mike Tyson to be a champion. 32 fights. Williams against Satterfeild had already had more fights than Ingemar Johansson ever had! Joe Frazier at 32 fights had already fought Ali twice! At 32 fights Tim Witherspoon was an ex Double world champion.

At 32 fights you are not a kid anymore. Tyson wasn’t, Patterson wasn’t, williams wasn’t.

After winning 31 of 32 fights, facing a guy 25lb lighter who lost 2 of his last 3 fights is safe match making in anyone's book.

Enough of this "he was a kid" crap

 

No it's my mistake for not bringing up something completely irrelevant to the conversation. Silly me.

 

Who would have dreamed you'd pluck out the worst part you could find of Steward Lewis (he won) and the best of Frazier?

You are terrible.

 

Not rocket science to understand is it.

 

I thought he was an amazing well rounded fighter.

No you're underrating him to boost your agenda. It's very possible the man hit harder than Liston, as Foreman named him in the top 3 hardest punchers he ever encountered and did not include Liston.

When he was less than 3 years into his career.

Cleveland Williams

Mike Dejohn (who Chuvalo said hit harder than anyone he ever faced, and he faced Foreman and Frazier)

Nino Valdes.

Just to name a few.

 

Mike DeJohn and Nino Valdes both weren't very skilled they lost plenty. Cleveland Williams wasn't that skilled either. They were all contenders. These guys don't even compare to say Max Baer, Max Schmeling and Rocky Marciano in terms of punching ability (not just power).

Not to mention Valdes was at the end of an 18 year long career when he fought Liston.

 

Doesn't matter if they weren't skilled. They could all crack. Again, I disagree Williams wasn't skilled.

 

A big punch doesn't matter if you don't have the skills to back it up.

Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Frazier but it says more about a fighters chin if they can go the distance with the latter two.

 

it is not the worst part of Lewis! It’s fairest to compare two points fights. Lewis was great against mercer. It was a great, competitive fight that he won. Prime Lewis! If I picked the Tucker fight you would say he was not as good without Steward. If I picked the Mavrovic fight you would say it was an off night. If I picked the Holyfield fight you would have still found something wrong. Mercer is the best example where Lewis looked good in a competitive fight.

As for Frazier he had a tiny prime. Was he prime against Bonavena the first time? I don’t think so. He was prime by the second one so I suppose you could switch it for that fight but I can’t find full rounds on YouTube to make the same comparison. But if you can find it put it up.

You are welcome to put up two points wins for both men in their prime and i will accept them.

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Lewis his weak chin would never hold up against Foremans power and agresivnes. I dont see Lewis surviving the first rounds against Foreman.