At their peak, who was the most Dominant Heavyweight champion ever ?

Ali at his peak. pre 3 1/2 year political ban was practically unbeatable. Even after he was way superior to most

 

Can't be Liston. Ali getting glossed over.

 

Wrong on all counts.

Witherspoon fought Thomas just 15 months after he fought Holmes. He was all of 27. He'd had experience building bouts. He was in great shape.

This was as good as it got for Witherspoon. He wasn't tired at the end of the bout, Thomas just had his measure in every way, shape and form. He jabbed his head off. Witherspoon had no answers for the Thomas jab, none. Dundee who had been brought in to train Thomas said he had the closest thing he'd seen to Sonny Liston's jab.

Tho he didn't quite out jab Holmes Witherspoon all but nullified Larry's jab. It's well documented that this fight was the one where people realized Holmes was slipping. He'd lost half a step and his jab had lost a bit of snap.

The Witherspoon Thomas beat was absolutely no worse than the one Holmes fought. He was in great shape defending the title he'd just won. Thinking he was better against Holmes because he did better in the ring against Larry than he did against Thomas is seriously flawed and wishful thinking. Larry at this point was slipping and Thomas at his best. Thomas absolutely would have been a competitive fight for Holmes at this time. He was certainly far too good for Timmy. He also beat Weaver very convincingly.

 

Wrong
Spoon was not in the condition he was in when he fought Holmes nor did he have the same motivation. I don't care what Dundee said as he told blatant lies.
The only truth your telling is that Holmes was slipping and once he started slipping it came on fast and very noticeably.

 

Not wrong one little bit. Spoon was at his lightest weight over a 4 year period. Watching the fight, he had plenty of energy and condition but simply could not get past the Thomas jab and nor could he land with any consistency whatsoever. All of this is blatantly obvious to any neutral observer watching the fight.

Credit where it's due - Thomas was simply too good. No version of Spoon would have beaten Thomas that night.

 

Completely disagree.
The best version of Spoon we saw was against Holmes. The highly motivated and hungry Spoon that showed up against Holmes beats Thomas all day every day. Thomas nothing but a one armed bandit and you never know what Spoon you were getting come fight night. Just because his weight was down doesn't mean his head was screwed on strait.
If u want to make Thomas out more than he actually was be my guest. If you seriously want to compare Thomas as a boxer to Holmes well I guess we have nothing more to talk about. Another Holmesaphobe

 

A peak Ali was unbeatable

Peak tyson just SEEMED unbeatable

 

No worries mate you just don the skirt and wave the pom poms and pretend Tim wasn't a patch on the fighter he was 18 months earlier and a couple of pounds heavier. Don't let any amount of fact or visual evidence sway you in your fantasies.

 

The answer to the actual thread for me personally can lay anywhere among Ali, Tyson and Louis depending on ones own personal criteria. Tyson and Ali (until exile) were supremely dominant and while Louis had his struggles his longevity was insane. I'd hate to have to narrow it down.

Liston would have had to get a title shot earlier and beat the string of contenders he did as champ. Lack of opportunity holds him back there. Foreman needed to reign longer even given how awesome his wins over Frazier and Norton were.

 

I like to use my eyes as evidence...Like I said if you want to live on fantasy island and think Thomas is better than Holmes be my guest. Why not see who ranks Thomas in there all time HW top 10 then let me know how he stacks up against Holmes.
So go put your cheerleading outfit on and hang your Thomas banners. You don't like my opinion than don't reply but don't start being a key board tough guy. Your stock just goes way down when you start that stuff. I don't mind you disagreeing with me but I do mind being disrespected over what is my opinion.

 

You threw the first stone bud calling me a Holmesaphobe or whatever rot it was.

If you used your eyes for evidence you would see i am not saying Thomas was better than Holmes or that Thomas was a top 10 heavyweight or that he ranks above Holmes.

The simple fact of the matter is i am saying Thomas would have been an extremely hard fight for Holmes when Holmes was fading and Thomas at his best. Stop putting words in my mouth that i didn't even remotely hint at.

As for the underlined it's a message board and that's what it's all about. People can question whatever opinion they like. I sure won't be getting all sulky and sullen if anyone questions mine.

 

Peak Ali fought weaker opposition. If Frazier rolled through, he might’ve beaten him. Cooper almost got the job done when Ali was younger.

 

No votes for Tokyo Douglas?

 

He wasn't champ. His only fight as champ was Holyfield and that wasn't pretty lol

 

Madness.

Liston > Tysons entire resume, and there's a whole second tier of fighters who are equal to Tysons best wins.

The Ali who almost killed cleavland Williams would have made tyson lose his mind.