At what point did heavyweight "giants" learn to punch with correct technique?

Well they aren't exactly going to throw a punch with their fecking legs now are they......

Extend the arm..... no **** Sherlock hahahahaha.

 

So you confuse definition (a jab is a straight punch with the lead hand thrown from the shoulder) with technique (HOW it is thrown from the shoulder). And no, you can study ALi's mechanics (or Larry Holmes') and see that there are differences -- the footwork is part of technique, and extending it off to the side rather than straightforward with the shoulder "behind" the punch is different.

I also provided video of Larry Holmes and Riddick Bowe pushing off the back foot to generate force. A completely different technique.

I ask again: are some of the best jabbers in boxing (and especially heavyweight) history throwing the punch incorrectly? Are you saying Ali and Larry Holmes had "bad technique" -- and that they do it WRONG?

Please.

 

I can only conclude that you have zero understanding of mechanics and technique.

I can show you Ali throwing a "cutting jab," almost a backhand-type motion across the opponent's face, where the force is generated from the elbow and twice of the fist. He's rake it right to left and come back left to right.

Your fallback is definition, not technique.

You've gone from "there is ONLY ONE way" to throw each punch to "it's all the same as long as you use extend your arm from the shoulder" -- and that's completely different. And, pray tell, how do you extend your left arm in any other way than from the shoulder. It's basic anatomy -- they are attached. You can't throw it from your forehead or your knee or your arse.

Go to a gym. Tell the head trainer there's only one way to throw a jab and demonstrate it to him. Challenge him to show you another way. You'll be amazed and you'll learn a lot.

An up-jab is a different way of throwing it than a flicking or shotgun jab or the "step into it" which you earlier cited as the only proper way.

 

Good post as usual Rob.

 

Again, you're talking definition. You CANNOT THROW A LEFT JAB OR ANY OTHER PUNCH without the shoulder being involved in some way. It's attached to the arm.

Your own definition earlier in this thread of the "correct" way to throw a jab was step into it. I've shown you numerous examples of it being done, well and properly, without stepping into it. So then you shifted your definition -- but YOU are the one who said there is ONLY ONE WAY to throw each punch.

Which means you are incorrect. I don't see the need to get into personal attacks ("you don't have the mental capacity ..."). To do so only underscores your inability to discuss this as an adult, based on fact and example.

 

They are both jabs, but in throwing his Ali had a major flaw , if you are this unique analyst of boxing technique that you obviously believe yourself to be, can you please tell us what it was?

 

You've completely contradicted yourself.

Your own words:

"The jab has the same basic fundamentals regardless of how it is thrown. Power comes from stepping forward and from the shoulder."

Now you're saying it's only from the shoulder.

You also say (as I've quoted) that there's only one correct way to throw each punch and any other way is wrong. Yet here you say "regardless of how it is thrown." So there are more ways.

Power does not have to come from the shoulder. Power is force. Force is a property of physics. Force = mass x accelaration. So the "mass" can come from putting body weight behind the punch by pushing off the back foot (as shown on film by Larry Holmes and Riddick Bowe in the video I posted), from hip rotation into the punch, from snap at the elbow. As long as there is mass and speed, there is force.

Unless you want to tell Isaac Newton that he was wrong.

 

Albert Einstein proved he was!
At least he thought he had,