At what point did heavyweight "giants" learn to punch with correct technique?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mr.DagoWop, Jun 7, 2017.


When?

  1. 1920s-1930s

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  2. 1940s-1950s

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  3. 1960s-1970s

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  4. 1980s-1990s

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  5. 2000s-2010s

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  6. They always have

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  7. They never have

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Don't switch the topic. I am talking about basic boxing fundamentals like starting the jab from the shoulder. Every fighter generates power mainly from the shoulder on the jab.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He didn't say acceleration and shoulder ... you say that's where the force comes from. I'm saying the mass can come from other than the shoulder.

    Acceleration is the increased rate of velocity (speed). For the purposes of this discussion, they are close enough. You never mentioned acceleration or speed or any other such factor as having an affect on force, just shoulder and stepping forward. So your physics are incorrect.

    You said there's one way to throw each punch and every other way is wrong. I've shown you your own quotes. Do you deny saying that?

    Again, just because I've taken your own words and shown that you have changed your argument is no reason to start with insults. I don't think you're an idiot. I think you're wrong. Furthermore, I credit you with enough intelligence to realize that I have shown that you are wrong -- there is more than one way to correctly throw a punch -- but you don't want to admit it so now, again, you resort to name-calling.

    The fact is, there is more than one way to correctly throw each punch. You cannot dispute it because I've shown you various ways.

    End of discussion.
     
  3. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The shoulder generates force. Are you trying to tell me that your muscles don't generate force?

    Acceleration is the rate of change of speed. The derivative. It is not speed itself. You can't use the two terms interchangeably.

    Once again you are ******ed. Muscles generate force.

    There is a basic technique to all punches. You have yet to show me otherwise. All you have shown is the angle at which a punch is thrown and called it different technique.

    Show me more than one way to throw the right cross and I'll concede.

    Not that any of this has to do with my thread.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've asked you a simple question, if you are this expert you seem to believe you are, you should be able to spot the flaw. ps You have already switched the topic .
     
  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I never once said I was an expert. There you go lying again.
     
  6. populistpugilist

    populistpugilist New Member Full Member

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    St Pat is truly wise in these ways. When we can snatch the pebble from his hand, then we can go.
     
  7. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh dear. Saint Pat vs Dago Wop. Even the WBC wouldn't sanction this mismatch. Brain versus prawn.
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Muscles do generate force. There are muscles other than shoulder muscles.

    I've shown you Riddick Bowe and Larry Holmes pushing off the back foot -- leg muscle generating force.

    You never once mentioned acceleration or speed or anything like that as a factor in creating force. I brought it up. You said "stepping into the punch and the shoulder" created the force behind the jab. I've shown you other ways that do not involve that.

    There is more than one basic technique because there are variations of punches. You say, and I quote you yet again, that there is only one way to throw each punch. I showed you there are many.
     
  9. Ragamuffin

    Ragamuffin Active Member Full Member

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    Kung Fu - The film.
     
  10. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I already said that stepping forward generates force behind the jab. Its one of the many uses for a jab. This is boxing 101, you don't have to watch Bowe or Holmes to figure that out.

    I don't have to. Its a universal law of physics. Just because I don't mention it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

    Yes, stepping into the punch produces more force. You clearly don't understand boxing 101.

    No you haven't. All you have shown is different angles.

    It is clear that we both think that we are right, even though you are wrong, so lets just call it quits and don't respond to me unless it has something to do with answering the thread question.
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Looks like you found a new boyfriend Azzard. :asskisser
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This entire discussion has been predicated on the quoted post by YOU in "your thread."

    Your topic presumes that there is, as you put it in the quote above, "only one way of throwing each punch." So a discussion of exactly what that "one way" is for each punch is quite on topic.

    And large heavyweights have thrown "correct" punches for quite some time. Probably as long as any other size fighter.
     
  13. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Now you are ****ing lying and you know it. mrkoolkevin was the one who started this and then you chimed in with a strawman argument.

    You're just like everyone else on here. A ****ing liar.
     
  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All punches are correct if they do the job they are intended to do.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Liar must be your favourite word,easy to use from the safety and anonymity of your pc.