At what stage in Naz's career could he have beaten the Barrera he lost to.

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  1. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just watched the fight again and Naz just seemed to have his skills defused by Barrera and ran out of ideas.

    Was this because Naz took his eye of the ball e.g; took it easy on the training, the success took away his hunger.

    Was Barrera just a better schooled fighter with a clever game plan?

    Or could Naz never have beaten the Barrera he lost too at any stage in his career?

    Apologies for this thread that has probably been discussed on here one thousand times.:good

    I'm sure some of the encyclopedic boxing minds on here can fill me in.
     
  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    it pains me to say it but probably never. however it'd be harder for barrera as naz used more angles against, say,robinson, but it also has to be said that robison was average at best. if barrera can refrain from trading he probably wins. but at the same time you can rarely count out a man of hamed's two fisted power. sal sanchez, pep, arguello,armstrong, and a few morenotables, but not barrera imo :good
     
  3. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Never! Naz always had his shortcomings, thats why he was dropped quite a bit. Barrera just took him to school and exposed all his unorthodox mistakes. I knew it was going to happen, and Barrera matched him on a strength level. Naz faced some good fighters, but he seemed to always have a big edge over them in the power department, which got him out of trouble alot.
     
  4. Guy

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  6. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barrera would always be the favourite due to the style he used that night. Hamed of, say, the Robinson or Badillo fight would have been a lot more of a challenge, though.
     
  7. Barney

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    That is a good honest query.

    I think naz's greatest liability was his dependence on his natural ability which was immense. In that I see the reason he could not deal with the tactical assault of Barrera.

    By figuring he could beat anyone he made it possible, by failing to fortifying his defenses, to be beaten.
     
  8. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be honest, the Barrera which fought McKinney & Jones could be hit & would be in trouble if caught cleanly. Marco learned alot from those losses(Jones, not McKinney) & reinvented himself to be a much improved fighter afterwards. Naz's fast hands & explosive power could have brought a sudden end to a fight with that version of Barrera very quickly.
     
  9. Barney

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    I think that is the difference I noted. Naz did not change. He needed to and did not for whatever reason.

    Good point on Barrera.
     
  10. Guy

    Guy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cheers for the opinions :good some interesting points there :nod

    So it seems Naz never had to adapt before due to his success with what he had and when he had to adapt he didn't know how; but Barrera tweaked his style after losses and came back more versatile?
     
  11. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, IMO. Had Naz fought after Barrera he would also have been a different fighter, a little more wiser for the experience with Barrera.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post, Naz himself was much better then, he stopped training as diligently post-97 too, if you watch the Naz-MAB documentary you'll see Naz was barely training at that stage. The early version of Hamed had better reactions, sharper, far more mobile with better movement. MAB became a far far more complete fighter post-Jones

    So if Hamed replaced Junior Jones against MAB, he wins by KO, it would have been a war though and Naz probably goes down himself.
     
  13. Scratch

    Scratch Active Member Full Member

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    He was a shadow of the talent he was under Ingle.

    Before he flounced out he might have been able win or he might not - there's really no way of telling.
     
  14. Barney

    Barney Guest

    The proper care and training of a fighter is a skill.
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    From 1995-97 or not at all, specifically the Steve Robinson fight, Barrera or Morales would have their work cut out vs that Naz, they would have to be on their game bigtime.