At what stage in Naz's career could he have beaten the Barrera he lost to.

I dont know about your last paragraph. Those two fighters were solid boxer punchers with really nice straight righthands. I'd put Morales in that category too. I always thought Naz was a better fighter when he stayed with Ingle. Once he brought in Emanuel Steward and then Suarez, he kind of got away from some of things he did that were very effective. THose guys tried to make him more of a conventional fighter.
That being said guys like Morales Jones, and Barrera would have always given Naz a lot of problems. Naz didnt exactly go looking for a rematch with Barrera after the beating he took.

 

Not sure, because Barrera fought such a great fight and a hard one for hamed hed always have trouble

around the 95-96 era of his career when he put a bit more emphasis on being elusive, he might have been able to win a decision by evening up the amount of punches being landed and landing a few big ones

I dont know if he would have ever actually put a gameplay into plan for that though

 

The correct answers.

Barrera was coming up in weight and looked to be by far the more shopworn of the two, and was duly the heavy underdog as a result. Yet despite those disadvantages, he still clowned the guy's ass so badly that he never wanted any part of a rematch, or even wanted anything remotely resembling a decent fighter again.

 

Barrera beat Hamed through tactacts not by being faster or more skilled. I describe Barrera's method trhat night as turing the boxing match into a fight than turning the fight back into a boxing match. I don't think Hamed beats Barrera using the method that he used.

 

Never.

 

Hamed punched very hard. It took a fighter to wait that extra second to punch inside his wide open messed up style. Most fighters werent strong enough or didnt have the chin to do that. Once on an even playing field, it just took a guy with decent boxing skills, a sturdy chin and some power to expose the mess that Hamed was technically. He was fun to watch, but I knew once he moved up to face bigger guys, he was going to get exposed.

 

In my opinion, Barrera beats Naz on any night of Naz's career.

Naz had talent, he had natural power, speed and reflexes, he had a good chin - in short, he had it all on the physical side.

But the physical side is not enough to beat an elite technician like Barrera.

Naz never had the defence or the technical skills to compete at the very top level, hence the fact that he was soundly beaten the only time he mixed in that company.

Naz would always have a puncher's chance against MAB (or anyone else), but I do not believe he was ever accomplished enough to outfight someone of Barrera's calibre.

JMHO :good

 

Never...though the first, slugger version of Barrera would have been a more exciting fight, and Naz would have had more of a chance, but that's like saying "what would have happened if Ali had fought Foreman all wrong and slugged it out with him instead of "rope-a-doping" him and outsmarting him?" That's what boxings all about...a superior fighter beating another guy through using the right tactics and style. Naz would have NEVER beaten MAB!

 

I would say never also. The similarities between Darchinyan and Naz are obvious, but the glaring difference is that Vic learned from his defeat and worked on his in-ring discipline and technique where Naz essentially gave up after losing his first fight.

I personally don't like Naz or Vic because of their boorish personalities, but do have to give a lot of credit to Vic for being smart enough and disciplined enough to change up what he was doing. On the flipside Naz has been relegated to a "not quite elite" level of fighter in most fight fans memories.

 

Naz was never in his wildest dreams going to beat a Barrera or a Morales or anyone else of that Calibre. He looked so great to his fans because he was fighting handpicked, faded opponents in his backyard. Hell, Barrera was handpicked because going into the first Morales fight everyone thought Barrera was damaged goods, then going into the Hamed fight no one thought Barrera could take the punishment he did against Morales and be the same. Instead Hamed got dominated and humiliated and his weak mental nature showed when he retired after one lackluster fight against a total unknown (in which Hamed was dropped). He still talks about making a comeback. What a joke. The UK promoters built him up and handed him over to HBO and they tried to build him up with nobodies, has beens, never weres, and fighters jumping up usually several divisions to face him and he still struggled to look good. Finally when he meets the first real challenge (Barrera who was also coming up in weight and thought to be ringworn) he couldnt even compete and retired. When could he have beaten Barrera? Never! Morales? Never! Marquez? Never! Pac? Never! Draw your own conclusions.

 

Tell us what you really think of Hamed? I tend to give him a little more credit in the skill department, but agree on most everything else. He did manage to beat some decent active fighters.

 

I know what youre saying he did have big flaws that got worse over time and were going to be exploited one day

but i do think itd take a fighter of barreras calibre to do it, and then they would still have to fight a great fight

he did fight and beat all the champions in the division and although it wasnt the strongest, it shows that it was gonna take somebody very good to stop him

 

Based on Vic's last fight I dont think he learned a dam thing. These fighters that are freakishly strong for their weight class have such a huge advantage over their opponents. When they finally move up or come accross someone who has somewhat decent boxing ability, they become exposed. Darchinian is a real good example of this, so is Hamed. I kind of always though Manny Pacquiao was too, especially after the Marquez fight, but Roach has improved his defense tremendously, and he still has tremendous speed. Hamed and Darchinian have and had little to fall back on when their power wasnt getting the job done.

 

This was one fight I particulalrly enjoyed, I vehemently dislike Hamed
.Apart from winning a few quid it was nice to see the preening ,conceited little **** get taken to school.
I can conceive of no period when Hamed would beat MAB .