ATG at 168: RJJ, Calzaghe, Ward?

Froch isnt under 34 fool. Froch has had wars, he was as noted previously in one with Pascal where he cant recall several rounds, did the chicken dance against Dirrell, got bust up in a war with Kessler, got caught clean constantly by Johnson, and dont forget how Froch has been caught clean throughout his career.
You have no consistancy except for calling anyone Calzaghe beat a bin man or journeyman and rating fighters who havent done as much as those fighters you call bin men and journeymen.
You say all these fighters are shot after a fight when it suits you, but Kessler after a loss and suffering eye trouble was the same fighter when Ward beat him. You claim all of that G Zod. But thats your consistancy

 

Before the S6 had even started he had eye problems

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"Mikkel said he has been bothered by problems with his vision during the fights against Ward and Froch, as well as in the training in the build-up to these fights," said Lang, who was president of the 2010 World Ophthalmology Congress. "There is a weakness of the superior oblique muscle of his left eye. To continue boxing, the muscle needs a proper rest, meaning no fighting or sparring for nine months. After this break, a complete recovery is expected."

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Well said Bailey but to be fair, Magee should have gotten that decision over Tsypko.

But yes, its funny how Lacy is an over-rated bum now, yet before the fight he was going to knock Calzaghes head into the 4th row according to everybody including Toney and Jones jr, but Jones at least showed more reasoning and respect towards Calzaghe thaN Toney did lol

 

1. Joe Calzaghe
2. Roy Jones Jr.


Unranked. Andre Ward

 

You have posted some dumb things on this board, but this gem really takes the cake

Getting dropped in a fight doesn't make it a war. He wore Taylor down with left jabs and right crosses. He took over during the late rounds.

This is what happens when you talk about fights you haven't watched. Dirrell stunk out the ring with his constant holding and refusal to engage in exchanges. But its a war because he might have stunned Froch for a number of seconds?

It was a tough fight, no doubt, but not hard enough for him to make him past prime.

He barely got hit during the Abraham fight

Because he got caught by some clean right hands from Johnson that means the fight is a war? Your clutching at straws, that was another dominant win for Froch.

Its irrelevant because you are using chronological age. They were not at a comparable stage of their careers when they hit there early 30's.

I've answered this question before, if you don't like my answer then tough.

Here we go again.
Because Rochhigiani had a belt at smw that means he was a great win for Eubank at smw?
Belts mean nothing. When he was the IBF champion he beat up journeymen and thats it. Because he pays the IBF 100k for each fight - you want to class it as meaningful?

9 times out of 10 mandatories are journeymen. Beating them means nothing

You obviously felt it meant something otherwise you wouldn't of mentioned it. The fact is Rocchiagiani did not become a different fighter because he moved up to lhw, he was the same fighter. In fact he would of been better because he was constantly struggling to make the smw limit.

Nunn achieved nothing at lhw, but of course you claim that as a good win for Graciano, but when Froch beats Dirrell that's not a good win because Dirrell has done nothing at smw. Watson did nothing at smw either, but let me guess - thats a good win for Eubank as well?

Go and watch some Eubank fights post Watson II

lol
He was getting outboxed and beat to the punch, but he was making Taylor pay a harsh price, which was why he took over and stopped Taylor late. Stop talking about fights you clearly havent watched.

We are going to have to disagree on this point.
Most of Calzaghe's opponents beat no one worth mentioning and lost to journeymen, but you rate them because they had sanctioning body belts.

Dirrell is a damned talented fighter as I said before who is in the formative stages of his career. I grade him as B+ class fighter

We are going in circles with Pascal. Pascal I grade as a B level fighter.

If you think wins over Reid, Sheika and Pemberton are better than wins over Pascal and Dirrell then lol

Has Froch lost to journeymen or fighters he had no business losing to? The answer is no. He has a loss to Kessler(b+) and Ward(a). He has only lost to world class fighters.

I see you are nitpicking with scorecards again. Calzaghe beat Reid and Hopkins on split decisions - but I take it you don't agree with the judges scorecards who gave the fight to his opponent. Bad judge scorecards, Froch-Johnson, which suit your agenda you agree with while bad judges scorecards which dont suit your agenda, Calzaghe-Reid, you disagree with.

Sanctioning bodies have done nothing but harm boxing since their arrival in the late 60's.

5-9 belts in each division.
Stripping fighters left right and center.
Stopping unifications fights
Cash for rating scandals
Creating numerous weight divisions to increase revenue while taking talent away from the original weight classess

And you expect me to think highly when a guy defends their belts against journeymen?

a= 10 points
b+=8 points
b=6 points

Calzaghe
a: 0 0 points
b+: Kessler 8 points
b: Bika, Eubank, Mitchell 18 points

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Roy Jones:
a: Toney 10 points
b+: 0 0 points
b: 0 0 points

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Ward:
a: 0
b+: Froch, Kessler 16 points
b: Bika 6 points

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Calzaghe: 26
Ward: 22
Jones: 10

One more solid win than Ward takes the lead​

 

The post I was responding to.

Who looks foolish now?

I've gone over the above in another post and I wasn't even talking about Froch here.
ps: lol at you classing Froch-Dirrell as a war

Lets take a look at Calzaghe's smw resume

a: 0
b+: Kessler

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b: Eubank, Bika, Mitchell

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b-/journeymen:
Sobot, Gimenez, Reid, Thornberry, Starie, Sheika, Woodhall, Veit I, Veit II,
McIntyre, Brewer, Jomenez, Pudwill, Salem, Ashira, Lacy, Manfredo

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Most of his title defenses were against journeymen. Eubank and Mitchell were on the verge of becoming journeymen as well. 44 pro fights at smw with only one win worth mentioning. And this is your idea of a great resume?
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I never said Eubank was shot
You don't become past prime because you lose a fight

As for Kessler's excuses you don't become past prime because you injure you hand or have eye problems. He passed the medical examinations and obviously thought he was going to win the s6, which is why he entered it. So they could not of ever been that bad to begin with.

When you enter the ring the excuses end. Otherwise no fighter has really lost a fight, because most fighters will claim some excuse for losing a fight.

 

Excellent point.

 

Thanks.
It is obvious from his resume that he was not interested in truly testing himself, otherwise he would of moved up way sooner than he did.

 

Calling the Mikkell Kessler who fought Joe Calzaghe B+?

whatever makes you sleep at night mate

 

Jones
Ward


Froch


Calzaghe

 

You forgot to mention the super belts, which are for super fighters

There was also talk of the sanctioning bodies creating a super heavweight division, I kid you not.

Completely agree.

I agree.
The Hopkins win is a solid win for him

 

I'm not sure when they started. I know he needed time off after the Froch fight.

 

Calzaghe
Ottke
RJJ
Ward