ATG BANTAMWEIGHT TOURNIE: SEMI FINAL 1 - RUBEN OLIVARES TKO10 FIGHTING HARADA

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Who will win?

Poll closed May 22, 2020.
  1. Olivares

    92.9%
  2. Harada

    7.1%
  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Crumbs, Crikey.

    Olivares is feeling this tournament. After scraping by barely, controversially, against Al Brown, he has to face Harada - as different a combat as could be imagined. For his part, Harada has been pissing this. Might even have made himself a slight favourite.

    Ruben Olivares (Seeded 1) was an absolute doomsday machine of a fighter, a punching artist and a genius both. He did not so much knock opponents out as immolate them, vaporize them, vanish them from competition and their own senses. A strange separation seemed to occur within the fighter when he landed his best; knockout victories over Jose Bisbal and Efren Torres, especially, instill within me the alarming sense that we are watching a man having his soul removed from his body but that the body has not yet been fully alerted. The slow collapse of Jim Braddock by Joe Louis has always been seen as something special; I think Olivares did this kind of thing almost routinely.

    Olivares ruled during the single most destructive division in history at the poundage. He ruled in 1969 and 1970 before Chucho Castillo unseated him at the second time of asking. Olivares re-took his title in the rematch and ruled once more between 1971 and 1972, at which time Rafael Herrera took over. Olivares got two bites at Herrera and despite the fact that he was, by then, tight at the weight, his failure to defeat his nemesis is the one real knock on his bantamweight legacy.

    He took the championship from one of the greatest bantamweights ever to have lived in Lionel Rose, destroying him almost as easily as Brisbal or Torres, smashing him out in five. His first defense was against Alan Rudkin, who had been in desperately close fights with both Harada and Rose. Olivares blasted him to the canvas three times in two rounds, dusting him off like a journeyman. His second defense was against perhaps the greatest bantamweight contender in history, Chucho Castillo, whom he ripped and harried and battered to a clear decision defeat. After swapping the title with Chucho, Olivares added number four contender Kazuyoshi Kanazawa and all-time great puncher Jesus Pimentel. His record, which up until recently had stood at 61-0-1 now read 68-1-1. Olivares was atop a pile of bantams as brilliant as had ever been assembled for the second time.

    When the punches failed, Olivares morphed into one of the greatest ring generals in history. His generalship failed him only once. Few such skilled boxers held as much power. Few power punchers have boxed with such skill.

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    A decade of mayhem and madness is what this ghost-wave of a pressure fighter wrought upon the flyweight and bantamweight divisions, but it was at bantamweight that Fighting Harada (seeded 4) joined the true ring immortals.

    Jose Medel defeated him in 1963 but between that time and his title-defeat to Lionel Rose in 1968 he went 19-0 and 5-0 in bantamweight title fights. In terms of quality per-defense, this may be the single greatest meaningful title reign in the history of the division.

    First, Harada had to take the championship from Eder Jofre. It was likely there would be a man to do that eventually, I suppose, but that man was always going to be an extraordinary fighter turning in an extraordinary performance, and so it was. Harada demonstrated the perfect execution of the swarming style and then claimed ring center in the final third, even surviving a near-disaster when Jofre came for him late. It was a complete title-winning performance that I scored much wider than the judges and press in attendance, who had Harada ahead by a sliver.

    In his first defense, Harada met Alan Rudkin in what seemed to me a much closer fight with every round desperately contested between two world-class operators. Rudkin boxed or punched his way into contention in nearly every single round; he was inspired and I suspect that the bantamweights who would have beaten him that night who are ranked outside the top twenty are few. Harada demonstrated iron will and an impermeable spirit, lashing back over and over again to take the decision.

    Then Harada rematched Jofre, reported that he found the second fight easier than the first, and moved on.

    Long overdue a soft defense, Harada instead re-matched Medel.

    By 1968 Harada’s battles with the weight had become legendary. He had his title ripped from him by Lionel Rose that year and left the division for a tilt at the featherweight title. He left behind him an astonishing reign and a pair of victories in his defeats of Jofre as wonderful as any held by anyone at any poundage.

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    Clash of styles, legends, kings.

    Who will win under the following rules?

    15 round fight.
    1950s referee.
    8oz boxing gloves.

    Cast your vote and explain yourself in a post below! You have 3 days.
     
  2. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    God awful match-up for the Masahiko. You don't swarm Olivares whilst looking to trade hooks. I think Olivares gets him out around 7/8 after a great fight, where Rockabye Rubén could go down.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Agree, I think Olivares has a big style advantage here. Harada has such a good jab though I don't think it will be as straightforward of all that. He will jab his way in and kept Olivares stimulated without doing massive damage for protracted periods. I'll go for Olivares to dominate several key rounds including more than one knockdown and scoff up enough of the in-between rounds to get home safe on the cards.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually I believe this is going the distance as well, with Olivares harder shots making the last five very difficult for the swarming Harada. But again, I think it would go 15 with Olivares the winner.
     
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  5. ChrisJS

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    Got to lean towards Olivares though I know it’s a very hard fight. I think Olivares would catch Harada coming in and finish it at some point though I can see Harada boxing well in his toes. I just think of both at their prime, Olivares has the stylistic edge and power to finish the job.
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I regrettably have to pick against the kamikaze and pick Olivares. I think if Harada boxed like Medel 2, this would be a great, great fight, but clear for Ruben due to his overall monstrous artillery. Harada would tattoo Olivares with jabs early, before Ruben then settles down and begins to take over the fight, eventually winning a clear UD.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Part of Olivares greatness is he's very versatile. He can win by by boxing, by slugging, or by swarming. Harda is a forward only type, but with a solid jab. He's simply out gunned and lack the ability to adapt as well. I'm sure he'd make a good showing
     
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  8. Flea Man

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    Olivares would bang Harada out. If they had a series Harada would win one, but as this is a one-off fight in a vacuum I’m taking Olivares every day of the week. Even at his most disciplined in the Medel rematch Harada was stung and badly hurt. Olivares a more complete offence force and a harder puncher than even Medel.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Olivares shutting out the great Harada! Anyone have a vote for the ATG?
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Olivares too tough and suited here. Stoppage late.
     
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  11. Flea Man

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    In real life there's always the chance Harada's mix of jab, strength and output might cause Olivares to lose focus and get ragged, resulting in him getting busted up and beaten. But I can't see that with our thinking caps on we wouldn't go with the obvious choice, which is an Olivares victory.
     
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  12. Jester

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    As others have stated, Harada's jab and relentless pressure will keep him competitive, but Olivares would control the fight throughout. His left hook to the body is going to be especially key here and will slow Harada's momentum as the fight goes on. I like Olivares by decision, but I don't think a late round stoppage is out of the question.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    20 hours to find a vote for one of the best fighters ever to have lived!
     
  14. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll just had my two penn'orth or rather my dad's. He fought them both and I asked him what he thought of this scenario a few years back. Initially he said he'd fancy Olivares against anybody, quite understandably. He thought and then said he could see a scenario and we're talking prime for prime here where Harada could give him problems. He said Harada was very strong, had a great jab, was great at changing/controlling the pace of the fight and might not give Olivares the room to get off his big shots. He took away Jofre's jab in that first fight after all. Anyway something to think about. He did say it would be a dangerous game because prime Ruben did have that equalizer. I fancy Olivares but I think I'll give Harada the benefit of the doubt for the upset on the poll. Two ATGs!
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Very nice Al.
     
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