ATG BANTAMWEIGHT TOURNIE: THE FINAL - RUBEN OLIVARES MD15 EDER JOFRE

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Who will win the tournament?

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  1. Olivares

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  2. Jofre

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Welcome to the Final. Every bit as exciting as Midget Wolgast Vs Jimmy Wilde, it's my choice for the final, Eder Jofre, The Golden Bantam, versus Ruben Olivares, El Puas. If only it could really have happened!

    Ruben Olivares blasted out Lou Salica in the first round, then ran into Panama Al Brown in the second, scoring a controversial decision in a difficult fight that could have been scored either way; that bump in the road out of the way, he destroyed no less a figure than Fighting Harada in the semi-final.

    Eder Jofre dominated and stopped John Coulon in the first round and Lionel Rose in the second - then drew Carlos Zarate in the semi-, who he clearly out-boxed. Jofre's run to the final has been clearly the more impressive, at no time has he struggled, whereas Olivares is arguably lucky to make the final.

    Will it matter?

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    Two geniuses, two punchers, two greats.

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    Who will win the ATG bantamweight tournament under the following rules?

    15 round fight.
    1950s referee.
    8oz boxing gloves.

    Cast your vote and explain yourself in a post below! You have 3 days.
     
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  2. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Active Member Full Member

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    Jofre in a hard fight. Power is fairly similar, Olivares the better hooker, Jofre better with the right, both great to the body, Jofre probably having the edge there and Jofre having the edge in chin/durability.

    Olivares would start faster I am sure but Jofre being the straighter puncher, more skilled fighter, I think would gain an edge by the middle rounds which would see him ahead after 10. I can see Jofre getting a late stoppage if (when) Olivares roles the dice going for the KO.

    A fight for the ages.
     
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  3. Tin_Ribs

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    I've got Jofre absorbing some serious shockwaves throughout and riding the early pain through a slow, probing start to eventually punch holes in Ruben late on and cast him down the side of the mountain like an exhausted but ambivalent deity.

    I think they were equals as punchers, both of them creative and dynamic, but if anything I'd give Jofre the edge in terms of one-punching rated opponents out with either hand. Olivares fought better opposition and was quicker of foot but a slightly wider and more one-handed puncher imo, and I think Jofre was more durable ultimately and slightly more able to force Olivares into a more mobile, counter punching role. Olivares was very good at that in his own awkward way in fairness and might opt for the approach anyway, trying to outfeint and out counter Jofre on the move before pouncing with hurtful clusters to the head and body. He's good enough to do it and win doing it.

    I just think that Jofre will keep probing in a measured, patient and nuanced yet still aggressive manner that is going to ultimately result more often than not in a highly skilled, versatile but attentional two way firefight for stretches, and in this instance I think he was a bit more durable and defensively responsible (his right hardly ever left the right side of his chin when not punching).

    Maybe like a more prolonged and competitive version of the first Herrera fight with Jofre applying similar but more varied and dynamic rangy pressure to invade Rubens wheelhouse with tight, powerful punch threading. Obviously Jofre was better than Herrera but I'll give Olivares the benefit of the doubt with him being partied out and weight drained for that fight.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I felt it would come down to this. In the end Jofre had better power and straight punches, plus the better chin. Olivares would need to be more a of slick counter puncher, and although he can do it, I think he tries it too late in the match to re-capture momentum.

    I'll go with the Gold Bantam via a 9-6 or 8-7 type of decision. Also not to be a downer, but I have a feeling there respect level between these two in the ring would lead to less fireworks than fans might expect. These two punchers hit well above their weight class. When you're being cautious in the ring, its' the straight punches that matter most. You don't throw hooks or shots that are easy to counter often when the other guy can knock your block off. Advantage Jofre.
     
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  5. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Honestly Tin. If you're going to bother to post, you could at least give it a bit of thought! ;)
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

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    I see what you did there, Eddie lad.
     
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  7. scartissue

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    I see Jofre getting off to a fast start before Ruben starts finding the range around the 5th and is ripping those left hooks to the body, which stems the tide. From there I see Ruben accelerating and winning a close decision, but not without the possibility of tasting canvas at least once during this bout.
     
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  8. Clinton

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    It's all been said here by some great posters but I'm going to be redundant in saying Eder wins because he's a better boxer and has a better chin. But it's a mouth watering dust-up between 2 superb atgs.
     
  9. Eddie Ezzard

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    Subtle, aren't I? Seriously, terrific post. I always read yours. They're invariably great and I enjoy the humour too. I also share your respect for the Aussie posters.

    @JC40 was outstanding yesterday after Hector Thompson's passing.
     
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  10. Tin_Ribs

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    Thanks mate, I enjoy your posts too.

    Yeah, the Aussie lads on here are a great bunch. I spent a lot of time in Oceania years back travelling and working and really miss it. I think I was living in NZ when I first started posting on here (or sheepshagger land as the Australians call it). Great days.
     
  11. McGrain

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    OK so it's Olivares for me. I think that he's a better puncher than Jofre and i'm shocked to hear some folks disagree, though I'm not picking Olivares to stop Jofre. I agree with Mendoza though that it would be a cold war rather than a hot war.

    I think Jofre would win the early battle and I think Olivares would have to change up first, hard to see how that might look but i'm ****ing betting on him anyway. Olivares gets him under control with an adaption, maybe bodywork, maybe just taking wild risks, might get put back on his chances a few times but no drop. I think that Jofre would have to try to turn back the fistic clock and Olivares would have to keep changing up on him as they compete to out-prod one another.

    Olivares lands the harder, more hurtful stuff and is capable of winning rounds with one or two punches; Jofre has to earn all of his. That makes the difference. It's 8-7 to Olivares folks, IMO.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    Is New Zealand the Wales of Oceania then?
     
  13. Tin_Ribs

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    Not that bad tbh, I only ever saw one bearded bloke in Greymouth performing fellatio on a ram. At the Calzaghe-Kessler fight there were six of them doing it in the car park. Levels, Georgie boy. Levels.
     
  14. Xplosive

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    Jofre takes Olivares apart.

    Zarate is a bigger threat to Jofre.
     
  15. ChrisJS

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    I was at the Calzaghe-Kessler fight. Definitely an interesting set of fans.
     
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