ATG British Boxers??

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by PhillyPhan69, May 28, 2010.


  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who do you feel were the best british boxers ever. and what would your list look like????

    I was trying to update a few of my lists, and looked at my top british boxers: Who is to high/low or who is missing or should not be on it???

    1. Jimmy Wilde
    2. Bob Fitzsimmons

    3. Ted "Kid" Lewis
    4. Jack "Kid" Berg

    5. Lennox Lewis

    6. Jim Driscoll
    7. Ken Buchanan
    8. Benny Lynch

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  2. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Generally it's a good list, it seems like you have included most of the top fighters at first glance. I could nit-pick at certain things, but I feel that the placing of Benn and Eubank is the biggest concern, due to Eubank being 9 places ahead of Benn (I can't really separate them, but if I had to I would put Benn over Eubank). I just feel Benn is being underrated and Eubank slightly overrated.

    But like I said, good list IMO :good
     
  3. RichT

    RichT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Got to say that was the one thing that jumped out at me as well. I wouldn't argue about how you wanted to place those two in relation to each other but can't see that they should be 9 places apart in either direction.

    I'd also question the exclusion of Haye, on achievement alone, when looking at a few of the names near the bottom of the list.

    Nice work though. :good
     
  4. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow, I was not excpecting Benn to be a major issue??? What in your mind(s) makes Benn so close to or even above Eubank??? Eubank holds a stoppage win over him, 2 wins over Watson who beat Benn...How come no one is saying watson should be over Benn, to be honest that is one I am struggeling with..What makes Benn higer ranked than Watson??? Do you feel Benn's resume outside of watson is that superior to Eubank???

    I really don't want to make this into a Benn-Eubank debate, as I was wondering more about the overall rankings (Welsh is a bit low from Lora's perspective???), but what is it that makes Benn so comprable to Eubank???
     
  5. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep good point on Haye. Feel that John H, Green, Sibson, Andries, Nelson and Cowdell all have a shout as well. I think this thread may give me the drive to do my own list :yep
     
  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No disrespect to Haye, but I was trying to stay away from fighters who are still active (at least in a major way)...Like on my HW list I do include Holyfield, but not either Klit...not out of disrespect, but rather I am not sure we or more to the point I can rank them fairly without seeing the entire body of work..I imagine Haye will find himself on many lists of this type in the future!!!
     
  7. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eubank too high at11 i think is theonly real gripe i would have but not a bad list
     
  8. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    benn to low ,berg about right,i would possibly have kid lewis top but that would likely change month from month
     
  9. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Fitz ain't really British. His biggest achievment came when he was an American citizen.

    British fighters in my top 100

    Jim Driscoll

    Jimmy Wilde

    Lennox Lewis

    Jack Kid Berg

    Ted Kid Lewis

    Freddie Welsh

    Benny Lynch


    Boxers that narrowly miss out on ATG status but have good HTH intangibles; Calzaghe, Buchanan,Conteh, Hamed, McGowan.

    Quality fighters; everyone else I've missed (Moran for example) that is in the OP's post.

    None of the above are in order.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I think Walter McGowan should have a spot in there, hes every bit as good as Michael watson or Tomm Farr, even IMO Naseem Hamed, who I think is too high on your list.

    I'd also squeeze in Alan Rudkin, absoloutly class operater and every bit as good as some guys on that list.

    My only other gripe is it is 'Jackie Paterson' not 'Peterson', I'm nit picking because my last name is also Paterson
     
  11. GazOC

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    The wins over MClellan and other decent Yanks like Barkley, Sims and DeWitt put Benn over Eubank in my book. Eubanks record doesn't have enough outside Benn and Watson IMHO.
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    in 89 Benn breaks into the ring rankings at 9, but loses to #6 Watson.

    in 90 Benn beats dewitt for the WBO MW title, #5 Barkley & loses to #6 Eubank.

    Eubank beats WBO champ..year closes with eubank rated 6 & Benn 9.

    91- Eubank beats #8 Watson 2X's (disputed or not these are the results) defending the WBO MW title and winning the WBO SMW title in the return bout. rated #3 at SMW

    Benn- does not have a major fight and ends up #6 at SMW

    92- Eubank beats #8 Thorton and makes 5 defenses.

    Benn beats Galvano for the WBC strap and makes defense.

    Eubank rated #3 Benn #5

    93- both make 2 defenses and fight to a draw...

    Eubank rated #3 Benn #4

    94- Benn makes 2 defenses...Eubank makes 6 defenses and beats #8 & #9 ranked close and Rocchigiani

    Benn ranked 2 Eubank 3 (not sure why Benn jumped him this year, but he did)

    95- Benn beats McClellan and makes 3 defenses..Eubank loses to #3 Collins 2X's

    benn rated 2 Eubank falls out

    96 Neither guy is ever a factor again! (Although Eubank does come bak into the ratings in 97)

    Benn rates at 9-9-6-5-4-2-2 (rated 7 years top 5 4 X's)
    Eubank rates *-6-3-3-3-3-*-9(rated 6 years top 5 4X's)
    during the 5 years they were rated Eubank was higher 4 of those years

    Benn 4-2-1 against ranked opponents (not counting 96+)
    Eubank 6-2-1 (with his losses coming in his final year as a peak fighter to collins)

    Eubank 18-2-1 in title fights (0-3 96 on)
    Benn 11-5 in title fights

    Benn WBO MW Champ 4 months (loses title to Eubank)
    Eubank WBO MW Champ 11 months (Vacates)

    Benn- WBC SMW Champ 3 years 5 months
    Eubank- WBO SMW Champ 3 years 6 months

    I agree there is not a great disparity, but Eubank to me clearly rates ahead of Benn!

    Beat more rated opposition, had a longer reign and made more defenses and had a better record in title fights, rated higher 4 of 5 years when both were ranked...and won the H2H encounter to seal the deal for me!
     
  13. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My appologies!!!
     
  14. Flea Man

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    A lot of them stats are useless; just go via levelsof opposition/intangibles.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    No problem, I see him listed as Jackie Peterson all the time for some reason.