ATG fighters of the last 20 yeas?

james had potential but aint made it.

odlh is one of the greatest of this era, without a doubt.

shane is just below and unlucky to get on the list but if ypu use the drugs excuse then roy shouldnt be on there.

 

Lewis

 

You can add James Toney to my list.

The man knocked out a prime, undefeated Michael Nunn and decisioned The Body Snatcher. That in addition to his outrageous longevity, and success up at Cruiserweight and admirable performances at Heavyweight, qualifies him in my estimation.

 

James Toney without a doubt. He may not have the best work ethic, but his tallent is once in a generation.

 

you put motherfking wlad up there and laugh at the mention of toney? lmfao, what a dumbass. 100 bucks says you've never seen toney below HW.

 

ATGs from the last 20 years or so:

Pernell Whitaker
Manny Pacquiao
Roy Jones Jr
Julio Cesar Chavez
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Oscar De La Hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
James Toney

HOFers from the last 20 years or so:

Ricardo Lopez
Winky Wright
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Felix Trinidad
Kostya Tszyu
Johnny Tapia
Joe Calzaghe
Riddick Bowe


* - obviously this list does not include the likes of Tyson, McCallum, Nelson, etc who had their most meaningful runs/wins in the 80s

 

mayweather
Jones
whitaker
holyfield
pacman

 

Where do you guys think these fighters fit in:


Michael Carbajal
Dariusz Michalczewski
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Buddy McGirt
Jeff Fenech
Jose Luis Castillo

 

michael carbajal
johnny tapia
azuma nelson
odh
felix trinidad
juan manuel marquez
ricardo lopez
james toney
roy jones
bernard hopkins
mab
erick morales
evander holifield
lennox lewis
jose louis castillo
shane mosley
julio cesar chavez
floyd maywether
kosta tyzu
pernel whitaker
lennox lewis

 

Wlad is not better than Vitali.

I don't know why people keep insisting this is the case.

 

fenech was a near-great, i would argue mcgirt was as well.

carbajal was merely good.

dariusz above the k2 bros without a doubt. very competent pressure fighter

 

Wlad will be top ten if he dominates another few years impressively but he needs haye badly.

vitali has quit his top fights and not had the depth to claim enough for atg. maybe hall of fame but its picky.

castillo hall of fame

fenech hall of fame

dont know enough about the others to make coment

 

Why do you think this.

 

He's more versatile, more relaxed, far tougher, and much more imposing than his younger brother.

He also doesn't fold under pressure and he's only lost twice. Once to Byrd when by injury and another time to an ATG in Lewis, but only when you could practically see his skull from a cut.

Vitali would also hold his own far better against ATG's than Wlad. Wlad has too many issues with his chin and his confidence to be held in the same regard as Vitali.

Wlad is also often stiff and uncomfortable, especially now with his so called new style, which is really another way of saying absolutely dedicated concentration and commitment in protecting his chin at all costs. When he throws uppercuts they are often wide, and leave himself wide open. He is basically limited at this point in his career to throwing 1-2's and the occasional hook. But this is also because he knows he can't take a punch, and he's hesitant to commit to something that might get him touched.

Honestly, I think the best version of Wlad was the one against Sanders. He was faster and more agile than he is today, and was still a cerebral fighter. But do to his chin, which has failed him more than once, he lost that fight.

And while Sanders had gained weight in his fight with Vitali, even if the one that showed up against Wlad, showed up against Vitali, the outcome would be the same.

Vitali doesn't fold under pressure. He proved that in his fight against Lewis, even if he lost.

 

In order: Whitaker, Mayweather Jr., Pacquiao, Hopkins, Jones Jr., de la Hoya, Chavez, Calzaghe, Lewis, Calderon and then in the next tier: Mosley, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Tszyu, Holyfield, and Bowe.