ATG fighters... Who they fought after a Huge win. Floyd vs Andre Berto fight haters.

I think you follow boxrec a little too much, and understand boxing a little too poorly. Yes, up to 140 Floyd was the fearless BOSS. But after, it was all downhill.

Hatton was a shadow, done, spent. Collazo took his life in 12th round, and ended the run of hitman.

Gatti was a famous belt holder. He was not a man to beat at the weight, he went life and death with club-fighters. Gatti was famous for his blood and glory style, not for his skills. Frankly, he was a C+ to B- level fighter that made it purely on heart and careful matchmaking. Floyd chased this fight like there was no tomorrow, because it was a great cherry pick - No Risk, ALL REWARD.

Delahoya, my goodness. The man was so clearly past it, all he had left was his size. It was a definition of a cherry pick - a past it fighter with a huge name and an enormous mass appeal.

Judah - That was a cherry pick gone wrong. Judah looked shot to **** and completely past it with Baldomir. Mayweather picked him and Judah fought a perfect fight for the first 4 rounds, actually winning the early 1/3rd of the fight. Then his unstable mentality kicked in and May won the majority of the 2/3s of the fight.

Baldomir - Another C+ level fighter, a hard working but very limited man. No one thought he could hurt or beat Floyd. NO ONE.

Shane beat up a cheat without his loaded gloves, what an achievement! I do not think floyd should be chastised for this one though, Shane did bumrush the stage and made the fight possible, plus brainless floyd haters did chant that floyd was AFRAID of shane (idiotic, considering floyd chased shane when he was at his prime and floyd was still green).

Pac - 5 years too late. Sorry, the fight just wasn't relevant anymore.

Maidana - No problem from me, probably the toughest fight Floyd had since Castillio

Guerrero - extremely limited fighter making it on endurance, heart and determination. He is a remarkably poor boxer, on Baldomir's level.

Cotto was a great fight. Canelo would have been a great fight if they didn't starve Canelo and made him so weak his usually bad stamina went directly to horrible.

 

Not one sentence I wrote was pulled or referenced from boxrec, I remember each fight and the hype that surrounded them quite clearly. Many of you criticize, belittle or even attempt to make fun of his opponents while conveniently forgetting that you accused him of ducking nearly every one of them. So I'll just ask..

..was Floyd not accused of ducking Hatton? ducking Mosley? ducking Cotto? ducking Baldomir (YouTube Brian Kenny and ESPN if you don't believe it)

Was he not accused of ducking Alvarez? ducking Maidana after beating Broner?
ducking Pacquiao? Even right now he's being accused of ducking Amir Khan, Triple G, Thurman and whoever else...now what do you think will happen if Floyd fights and beats all 3........he'd likely just be accused of ducking somebody else!

 

I am not responsible for what the braindead haters accuse floyd of. I personally never accused him of anything BUT the pac fiasco, where he turned a beautifully made and seasoned dish into a stale and poisonous concoction. I bet on floyd in ALL of the fights he took, including the pac fight, because they were all taken at a convenient time, against opponents on a decline. I stand by my original statement about your boxing knowledge - following hype != understanding the sweet science. Every word I typed in my response is cold hard truth, and you have not addressed any of it, only indulged in hypotheticals and attempted to misdirect my points towards idiotic chants of boxing groupies.

 

Anytime is a convenient time, at no point during his 20 year career has any fighter 154 on down been a better athlete, boxer, tactician, or strategist.

 

It's because everyone dislikes Floyd and want to see him lose. There. I said it.

 

No, it is because he is a cherry picker.

 

Floyd fans SMH atsch

Floyd's resume is full of cherry picked fighters past their best. He is not impressive above 140.

 

Every fighter is guilty of that.

I remember clearly what Caesar Chavez was doing in the mid 80's, taking on one title contender and following it up with 3 title defenses against tomato cans back in Mexico.

Ray RObinson is widely considered the greatest fighter ever. He fought around 200 time professionally and is arguably the greatest WW and MW of all time. His record is filled with a bunch of tomato cans that had no business sharing a ring with him, especially during his absolute prime, including part time boxers who held full time positions in another profession.

I'm not trying to disrespect the great fighters of the past, but some people criticize Floyd for taking on guys like Berto or Guerrero or Maidana. These guys are exponentially greater than some of these "stay busy" fights some of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport were taking.

In the late 30's, Armstrong accrued around 22 or 23 wins in 1 year, including winning the FW title for the first time. You think he was taking on top 10 contenders throughout that entire year?

Harry Greb fought over 300 dam times, I dare anyone to mention more than 10 big name fighters he fought during his incredible campaign without having to refer to boxrec.

It's old time guys trying to sensationalize the fighters of the past and make it seem like they were fighting 10+ times annually against top rated contenders. That was never the case in the history of the sport. A top notch P4P guy could sell out a big arena against another top rated fighter, and follow that up the next month fighting a tomato can in a small theater. That's the true history of this sport.

 

As far as I can tell those guys are real fighters though, not sh!t talking cherry picking phony's who don't give a cr ap about the sport or its fans like Floyd, broner and Wilder.

 

Interesting, but I think you got Holyfield-Cooper wrong. I think Cooper came after the Foreman fight for Evander. I don't feel like looking it up right now, though.

 

A lot of ATG fighters weren't or couldn't fight at age 38.

 

How many of the above-mentioned fought once/twice a year and declared themselves TBE, though?

 

Absolutely spot on! :good:good

 

Very true

 

Are you serious right now? If you don't see that Hatton was ended by Collazo, it is on you. The rest of the examples I already typed.

Best time to fight Cotto was before Margarito
Best time to fight Delahoya does not matter because it wasn't Floyd's fault they didn't meet in primes. Same goes for Mosley
Best time to fight Pac was 5 years ago
Best time to fight Judah was before Kostya fight
Best time to fight Gatti was never (he is nowhere near Floyd's level). I do understand that Arturo was an easy fight for Floyd to gain money/exposure, but lets not make him a hero for this fight, it was like taking candy from a baby. Same goes for Guerrero and Baldomir, both men are very poor boxers.
Best time to fight Ortiz was before Maidana

He fought Maidana at a perfect time, no gripes there. Same with Canelo (minus the ridiculous weight drain).

Understand this: I am not a floyd hater. I love watching him fight, even if I refuse to pay for it now. His talent is overwhelming, but so is his cunning and ability to smell weaknesses and sign opponents at perfect times, with all the advantages stacked heavily in his favour.