ATG fighters... Who they fought after a Huge win. Floyd vs Andre Berto fight haters.

So what you saying is that in all these fighters careers there has only ever been a tiny small window where they might had been good enough to beat Floyd? Are they that fragile to the point that if they ever lose or struggle in a fight they are basically doomed against Floyd?

Explain to me how Hatton-Collazo determines who wins Mayweather-Hatton. You saying that had Hatton not fought Collazo he would of beat Floyd? Why is the window so small, d you think Floyd can predict when his opponents will win and lose and if they do they are removed from the Floyd sweepstakes. Right now every hater talking Amir Khan...well he has losses, does that mean this is no longer the right time for them to fight? Therefore he should of fought Khan before Briedis Prescott?

I do know Floyd has beaten 3 highly rated undefeated fighters in modern times, Hatton, Alvarez, Corrales. I would say thats a pretty good list wouldn't you? And his first title win against G. Hernandez came against a guy who was undefeated in his weight class, only loss was moving up to challenge Hoya.

You seem to think Floyd waits to fight opponents when he is ready but history will show you that the fights happen when his opponents are ready, do you need examples?

1. Oscar fought Floyd when Oscar wanted it
2. Pac fought Floyd when Pac's team wanted the fight. Floyd wanted it in 2010
3. Hatton fought Floyd when he felt he was ready for the challenge, he called Floyd out after KOing Castillo
4. Mosley ducked Floyd in his prime and called Floyd out only after the Margarito and Marquez fights.
5. Alvarez put out in the media he wanted Floyd and that he dreamed he could beat him...even claiming he'd do it at 150!
6. Maidana beat lil bro and what did he do next, say he want Floyd!!
7. Marquez called out Floyd when he was retired, said he wanted to face the best P4P
8. Baldomir called out Floyd after he upset Judah, Floyd was at 140 at the time and moved up for the challenge. Judah still had the IBF title and fans pressured him into fighting Zab as well claiming Baldy was too slow.
9. Ortiz and Guerrero basically got the fights because they had impressive wins that had the boxing world talking. At the time both guys felt they were ready for Mayweather

To sum it up, when Floyd called guys out he never got the fight, he has always had to wait till they called him out or had enough confidence to meet him in the ring! And this aint nothing but the truth!

 

okay, lets go step by step:

Haton was DONE after Collazo fight. It was the combination of alcohol and that phenomenal 12th round that ended Hatton's career. To understand this, you need to have boxed yourself, and to have clear idea of fighters having breaking points. It was obvious to me that Ricky was done when Collazo almost knocked him out. I could see it in his eyes, his body language, his reaction to shots - Collazo took his soul in that 12th round. At 140, Hatton was a presence. At 147 he was too small, hit featherfirsted, too worn out. Neither Floyd nor Pac deserve accolades for beating that Ricky, unless of course you consider Collazo to be an all time great.

The window isn't really that small. Pac was prime 2006-2010. That is 4 years, arguably 5 if you add 2011. I do not think 5 years is that small of a window to be honest, do you?

Why do you bring up delahoya and mosley? ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF READING COMPREHENSION? I said, clearly, that they were responsible for not fighting floyd in their primes, not floyd himself. I have ZERO ISSUES with those fights, just wish for you to acknowledge they were shot by the time they made it into the ring with may. He did not beat Prime Mosley. He did not beat Prime Dela Hoya. Hell, I am not even convinced he could. But you can't blame him for not trying, he chased them and they were the ones avoiding him.

Stop lumping me in with the "haters". I do not think Amir is anything special, he is fast and he hits okay, but he is by no means the second coming of ...well, anyone worth naming. He is just a professional amateur that will get shot the moment his legs give out, because he is very poor defensively, relying on his gazelle like jumps to survive. Fighting him now would be his prime, Prescot did not end him, just merely brought him to his senses. Unlike Collazo, that ENDED Hatton.

Alvarez was a good fight, at a good time, when Alvarez was in his prime (maybe a little green but that isn't important). What is important, however, is that Alvarez, a guy that could BARELY make 154 at his lightest, was forced to go down to 152. That is 2 pounds below the weight he already can not make. That is like paying a few extra bucks from a bank account that already has no money on it. Does that make sense? If you never had to make weight, you will not understand this, which makes talking to you very difficult.

The other points I addressed already, just simply re-read my previous post.

 

Don't let that POS CJ fool you. Before PBF even called himself TBE he still hated on PBF hard calling him a coward and a ducker. TBE is just now the excuse of the day for CJ and other PBF haters to try and justify their hate.:deal

 

Newsflash hater PBF agreed to fight #48 back in 2009 but it was #48 who declined to fight because of testing and ran off to fight Clottey only to years later agree to those same test to fight Rios.:deal Even Roach admitted the reason why the fight didn't take place back then was mainly their fault because they didn't want to test. But let me guess you'll choose to overlook that and still blame PBF?:rofl

 

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#48 wouldn't be the same fighter if he wasn't so aggressive
Pea Whitaker wouldn't be the same fighter if he wasn't so defensive
Do you not see how stupid you sound?

 

No one fights A level fights every time out man. I can't believe some of the stuff you PBF haters say sometimes.:-( You're so desperate to see the man lose that you will say anything. PBF is a proven ATG and the best fighter of this era, if he hasn't proved that to you he will never prove it.

 

Another hater throwing around the TBE to justify their double standard. I don't think he's TBE you don't think he's TBE most of his fans don't think he's TBE and he probably doesn't think he's TBE but just because he says he's TBE he should fight A level fighters every time out, hilarious. You were saying this same stuff about him before the whole TBE thing quit using that as a way to justify your double standard it's weak and easy to see. It's a marketing tool FFS he has shirts and hats for sale with that on it.

 

Stop using this as justification it's a cop out you and other PBF haters were saying the same stuff about the man way before he used TBE. You fools have no shame I could bump 100 threads from when before he started using TBE showing you haters doing the same **** you're doing right now hating and holding him to a double standard. Do you actually think no one here can produce this evidence and make you all look stupid?:deal

 

Best fighter the era should have a signature win. Really even 2 or 3.

 

I'll just focus on Hatton, if you say Hatton was done and believed he was done then you are by default verifying my point!! They only want Floyd to cash out at the end of their career. After Kosta Tsyzu did Hatton say he wanted Floyd next??? Hell NO, they said they werent ready for that fight yet. So he fights Collazo, gets exposed, his team feels like this is it...so what to do now? Lets finally take that Floyd fight and pack it in..

They fight Floyd when they are ready not when Floyd wants it!! Floyd has always wanted the fights years before they finally agree to it!!

 

Hatton was not done against Floyd. That was one of Floyd's best wins.

 

Nope. He was through. But I can't teach boxing knowledge over the internet, you have to learn to see it in the fighters for yourself. Many mistakenly assume that because he got a tko4 over a shadow of an atg, he was back. But he wasn't, not even close.

 

If your point was that Floyd fought exclusively B and below level fighters, or A level fighters on a severe decline from 140 and on, then I agree with you.

If your point is that A level fighters avoided him until it was time to cash out, I would agree within reason. Hoya, Mosley, yes. Pac, debatable. I still think Pac was for the fight in 2009-2010, and it was Floyd and his vacation that delayed the fight.

However, you need to see things for what they are. Floyd stacks the deck in his favour, no matter whom he fights. This behavior is unbecoming of the greatest ever.

152 drain of Canelo will always be a dark spot on his legacy as well.

 

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You're mad man let it go #48 will never be as great as PBF he never was and never will be. There's levels to this ****.

 

PBF beats any version of Hatton in fact if PBF had fought Hatton at 140 back in 2005 when Hatton beat Zoo and PBF beat Gatti he would have beaten him worse there.