ATG FLYWEIGHT TOURNIE: QF1 - PETER KANE Vs CHARTCHAI CHIONOI

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Who will win?

Poll closed Apr 25, 2020.
  1. Chionoi

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  2. Kane

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    After eliminating Miguel Canto in the biggest shock of the first round, huge punching Peter Kane comes up against Thai ironman Chartchai Chionoi.

    Peter Kane would be my pick for the all time #2 flyweight puncher. He was absolutely murderous and from turning pro in 1934 he embarked on an absolute tear up of the British domestic scene, then the hub of flyweight competition. And he absolutely specialised on cracking unbroken chins. That's the surefire sign of a legit puncher I think, a guy puncturing unbowed fighters. He stopped the brick-chinned Italian Enrico Urbinati in eight rounds in 1936; the granite-jawed Belgian Gaston Van de Bos later that same year; Pierre Louis, the Frenchman, early in 1937; and most impressively Northern Irishman Jimmy Warnock in four rounds that summer in front of 40,000. None of these men had ever been stopped before Kane got his blood-sodden paws on them and Warnock had just emerged victorious from a fifteen-round non-title combat with the genius Benny Lynch. It was Lynch that would later prove his limitations, but Kane (seeded #16) nevertheless had a decent title run, truncated by the war years. WAR KANE.
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    Chartchai Chionoi edged boxing genius Pone Kingpetch in the first round; he's reward is measuring himself against one of the hardest punchers in history.

    Chartchai Chionoi, seeded eight, seemed just another fighter when he turned professional way back in the late fifties; by the time of his retirement in 1975 he stood as a two-time flyweight champion of the world and had contested no fewer than thirteen world-title fights. He was a true giant of the flyweight division. Glimmers of his huge potential shone through in his torrid 1963 defeat of Japanese 112lb champion Seisaku Saito in an otherwise bad year. Chionoi’s flirtation with a world ranking was inconsistent and the level of opposition he met equally so. It was something of a surprise then, when upon tempting champion Walter McGowan out to Thailand in December of 1966 he lifted the world flyweight title on a seventh-round stoppage. Chionoi’s strategy was machismo of which a Mexican would have been proud, essentially allowing McGowan to hit him with that cultured left while exacting a terrible tole with his own right. McGown was physically unequal to the task and crumbled not once but twice, the rematch in London especially exemplary of the Thai’s brutal style.

    For his second defense, Chionoi matched a man more able to dish out punishment than even he in the form of Efren Torres. The two staged a trilogy in a storm of blood, their first fight, one of the great flyweight championship contests, as savage as anything that can be seen in the modern annals of boxing history, won by the champion in thirteen rounds. A terrible eye-injury cost him the title in their 1969 rematch, but Chinoi returned, mercilessly, thrillingly, once more dominating his brutal opponent with a body-attack now honed to perfection. But three fights against so vicious an opponent perhaps signaled the end of his absolute prime. In his very next he seemed shell-shocked and vulnerable in dropping his title to Erbito Salavarria. Even so marred he was capable of foiling the plans of elite fighters, ranked men, and his resume is bolstered by the names of Fritz Chervet, Berkeret Charvanchai and Berabe Villacampo.

    A short-lived though devastating peak and some patchy results before and after his two-pronged tear at the division mean the upper limits of the top ten are beyond him, but there isn’t another fighter in this tournament quite like Chionoi.
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    Who will win under the following rules?

    15 round fight.
    1950s referee.
    8oz boxing gloves.

    Cast your vote and explain yourself in a post below! You have 3 days.
     
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  2. Man_Machine

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    Kane shows no respect for Chionoi's conservative style, in this one. He wastes no time in forcing the action and countering Chionoi's long-range attacks, with hard shots to both head and body.

    Chionoi tries to gain advantage at short-range, but ultimately, Kane is too strong and hard-hitting for him to be deterred and Chionoi fails to make any headway, on the inside, either.

    It's all one-way traffic for Kane, as he devastates Chionoi in less than a third of the schedule.


    Smashing KO 5 victory for Kane.
     
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  3. Eye of Timaeus

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    I'll have to go for Kane here. Pretty convincingly too.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Yep, agree that Kane shows no respect, but I think he would get out-hit - out-hit by a narrower, better balanced opponent. Pre-Torres, Chionoi wasn't a fighter that was going to get one-shotted and I see him consistently out-punching Kane on his way in and in the pocket, also. I think Chionoi breaks Kane down pretty badly over a competitive ten, and a cut and battered Kane can't quite get himself where he needs to be in the final third of the fight.

    Chionoi UD15 Kane for me.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Don't forget to vote!
     
  6. Tin_Ribs

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    I've gone for Chionoi as well, though in a real tear up. Kane was a bit quicker of hand and foot and hit harder but had no edge in durability, size or stamina. Vice versa if anything imo. Chionoi a tighter and better timed punch deliverer and picker other than from range where he was more awkward and unorthodox, more experienced and battle hardened against a wider variety of top class opposition. It's got the feel of Torres-esque trilogy about it where it takes years off both men and Kane takes one in a series though.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Deadlocked; poll closes tomorrow around noon.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Chart squeaks into the lead with about two hours remaining.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've got to go with Chionoi as well in a fight one would beg to see. Right to the wire with the Thai copping the decision.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Chionoi Chartchoi scrapes past Peter Kane via a unanimous UD earned in the championship rounds. Repeatedly hurt by the huge punching Kane in the middle rounds, Chartchoi remained vertical and organised in fighting Kane off in the key 10th and 11th before taking over in the twelfth. Consistently catching Kane incoming with narrow shots he shut Kane's right eye and was working on his left at the bell for the 14th. The doctor took a long look at Kane between the 14th and 15th rounds but with the cards still in the balance, Kane was allowed to take to the canvas, losing the final round and the fight by a single point.

    Charchoi becomes the first, and a surprise, semi-finalist.
     
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